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Title: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: R6Pilot on December 02, 2017, 01:28:16 PM
Hello everyone,

I have a few questions that I cannot figure out after doing quite a few searches and reviewing the forum(s). 

about me - I fly Spectrum, Dx7, old, I mean old.  Bought it in '07.  It works and I would rather have an N5C than a new radio.  I do sport and mild 3D but always simming and trying to improve.     

While technically I am not an N5C owner, I have sold my X5 to fund the new build.  I am also selling my 450L and a spare AR7200bx to fund the Synergy.  I told the wife I am keeping the Protos 380 and the N5C once it arrives and thats all the heli's I need.  (although we all know thats less than truthful)   

I just placed my order for the OS55HZ-R and pipe from RC Japan.  I ordered the Funtech B323, I have read one or two reviews where people have commented that they really like it.  Does anyone currently run the FT pipe and if so, what do you think?

The other question is regarding the Centerglide bushing.  My plan is to send the motor in once it arrives(wont get the N5C kit til Jan) to get that done but I cannot find any contact info regarding this.  I checked out the Magnum website and didnt find any info.  How does one go about doing that?  Is there a number I need to call or or link? 

On the subject of motor bearings, I am not 100% up to speed on nitro.  I built a Raptor 50 way back in the day with the Redline motor but only flew it(hovered) a few times before I sold it and left the hobby for a bit due to life.  How often do the bearings need to be changed?  I have read a few times a season, 1 a season?  I fly almost every day on the sim, and maybe once a week or so during the spring/summer/fall. 

I have seen Matts video on balancing the fan for the 105 I believe.  Does this apply to the 55 as well?  Should I invest in the Dubro prop balancer or is it not a concern for the smaller motor?

Regarding gov sensor, it sounds like magnet is the best.  Would the align Beastx plus sensor work?  Is there a plug and play magnetic sensor that fits the N5C?  Or, does the backplate sensor be the best route? 

I plan on running HV system.  KST BLS815 cyclics, BLS805X for tail and not sure about throttle.  DS589MG?  I see the JR 3717 is discontinued, which I understood was the "go to" throttle servo for many people.  Any suggestions on throttle servos that fit and perform great?  Does anyone have any experience with the KST servos I have considered? 

If you have made it to here, I sincerely thank you.  I apologize for the very long rambling post but I want all my ducks in a row when the kit arrives.  I cant sleep at nite because I am thinking of this heli.  I am looking forward to the build in the cold/wet months ahead and plan on having the motor broken in when the first few sunny days of spring arrive.  For those of you who also offer suggestions, wisdom, I cannot thank you enough. 

Thanks again, Dave
Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: Chris Sexton on December 02, 2017, 08:18:56 PM
Welcome to the synergy family!

Funtech is a great pipe. You’ll do well with it.

Center glide is nice but I never personally did it.

Yes balance the fan/hub and clutch bell.

Use a good HV throttle servo. It’s imperative for proper gov performance.

Never used that gov sensor. I always used the align magnetic sensor with ikon vbar and neo.

No experience with KST servos.

Hope this helps!  Ask plenty of questions. We are here to help. Plenty of active synergy owners here.


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Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: Jon Yarger on December 02, 2017, 08:31:22 PM
I've bought three used engines with Center Glide bearings. I've had issues with all three. Removing the Center Glide fixed my issues every time. I know some people have good luck with them though. I would run the engine with the standard bearing until it fails. Then decide if you need to go to a Center Glide. You will love the n5c. It's a very fun heli.
Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: Rodney Kirstine on December 03, 2017, 01:19:19 AM
Welcome! I agree with Chris and Jon on the engine bearing thing.  You might as well run it stock at first and you can always decide to go to the centerglide later if you want.  I have not used one in any of my engines so I don't really have an opinion positive or negative about them.  I do know for a fact that the OS 55 will run great, stock out of the box, though.  I have a Funtech B320 pipe that I run on mine and it's been really easy to tune with. 
Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: R6Pilot on December 04, 2017, 05:44:34 PM
Thank you all for the responses.  Good info.  Sounds like centerglide is not necessary at the moment.  I'll skip it for now and just run it.

Will any good quality mini tail servo work for throttle?  I'm only concerned about fitment.  I understand it needs to be fast, at least faster than the cyclics. 

Any recommendations on a starter?  Something that won't break there bank but works well? 

Thanks again, Dave.  I know I'll have plenty more questions. 


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Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: Chris Sexton on December 05, 2017, 05:44:25 AM
Tail servos are not a bad idea for the throttle as long as it’s a 1520 center pulse. Most fbl units will not allow for a narrowband servo on the throttle.

As for starters you get what you pay for. I learned a long time ago in this hobby buy quality once, buy cheap twice. I highly recommend the Sullivan dynatron with the rubber cup Not the hard mounted shaft. The hard mounted wands are certainly nice but if you get one that’s even one thousandth of an inch out of true at RPM it will shatter the starter Hex adaptor. With the rubber cup style the rubber acts as a dampener and absorbs the vibration.


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Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: R6Pilot on December 12, 2017, 01:01:21 PM
Thank you Chris.  I have some time to figure out starter.  I definitely do not want to go cheap.  Everything is coming together, motor from rc Japan has been released from customs in San Francisco, all servos have been ordered, blades, Switchglo Pro, and fuel tubing is at home.  I just finished ordering the fuel filter, clunk and du bro balancer. 

 I need the kit, some lemons, starter, fuel and done.  I'm itching to build. 

I'll be back with more questions I'm sure.  Thanks again, Dave

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Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: LWilliams1214 on December 13, 2017, 04:30:21 AM
I have been running the center glide bushing in my 55hz-r for almost three years trouble free. It's not a necessary MOD like others have stated. When I was using standard ball bearings in the engine I would replace them twice a year along with the piston ring and e clips for the wrist pin as my maintenance routine (yours may not be as often depending on how much you fly). For starters you can't go wrong with the dynatron especially if you plan to get a 90 size nitro one day.  I personally use a Hobbico Torque 90 for my 55hz-r but it won't start anything larger than a 60.

My setup

Synergy N5c

OS55HZR
HATORI PIPE
XPERT 4401HV Cyclic servos Xpert 2202HV tail servo Xpert MI 3301 HV throttle
Vbar NEO
TruGlo
Spektrum backplate sensor
Rail 606 main blades Rail 96 tail blades

Enjoy the build.
Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: R6Pilot on December 15, 2017, 12:47:06 PM
Hello LWillams, thank you for the input.  I'll look at that starter.  I'm not planning a 700 nitro, but I also wasn't planning getting into nitros again when I got back in the hobby a few years ago. 

Right now I'm trying to figure out how to set up electronics.  I'm using an old Ikon 1 I had laying around.  I've read it can take 8.4v so it would seem I do not need a regulator?  All my servos are HV.  Do you guys use a switch and plug directly into the fbl as long as I use a 2 cell lipo?  Or no switch?  Apologize for very noob questions but I have very distant hx with nitros. 

Also, is the MOAS clunk worth the extra money vs standard clunk? 

Thanks Dave

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Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: Jon Yarger on December 15, 2017, 07:14:37 PM
No one here will ever have a problem answering any questions. For a switch, I use a Perfect Regulator failsafe switch with a built in glow igniter. You could also go without a switch if you prefer. The Moas is a nice clunk. I use them in all my nitros. You can pretty much suck the tank dry.
Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: Gabriel Sandoval on December 20, 2017, 06:37:09 PM
Personally I have had excellent results with the Lynx MOAS clunks they will suck the tank dry.
Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: R6Pilot on December 20, 2017, 09:36:08 PM
Great guys, thank you.  Next order is going out for the MOAS, and other assorted bits and pieces.  Seems every time I turn around I find something else I need.  Like the crankcase locking tool, botosizer, etc.  It's coming together though.  Plan is to get in the kit last and have everything thing needed to build and fly. 

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Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: Jon Yarger on December 20, 2017, 09:49:57 PM
I've built a few n5c's and n7's. I haven't needed a crank locking tool on any of them. With the pinch bolts on the fan hub you shouldn't tighten the prop nut very tight. It should just be used to snug the hub up to the washer. It may be nice to have but it's not really a must.
Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: R6Pilot on December 21, 2017, 05:45:16 PM
I've built a few n5c's and n7's. I haven't needed a crank locking tool on any of them. With the pinch bolts on the fan hub you shouldn't tighten the prop nut very tight. It should just be used to snug the hub up to the washer. It may be nice to have but it's not really a must.
Right on, will i ever need one then?  For changing bearings or can that be done without one? 

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Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: Jon Yarger on December 21, 2017, 07:39:55 PM
You shouldn't need it for changing bearings. If you remove the prop nut before loosening the pinch bolts your fine without it. Once you loosen the pinch bolts you should be able to easily pull the hub off.
Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: R6Pilot on December 26, 2017, 07:30:23 PM
Merry Christmas guys/gals.  Good news!!  Kit has been ordered.  Bad news...it's back ordered 2-3 weeks.  No worries, gives me time to take down Christmas lights and get the new year all situated. 

One pre build question.  I received some more parts today.  One of the parts was the rpm sensor.  They didn't have Align Governor Sensor part number AGNHE50H22, it's now discontinued.. so I ordered the Align Beast X Governor Sensor(was difficult to tell from the pic that it would not fit).  That one has a large plug that definitely will not fit my Ikon 1 gov port.  So, does that mean I need the Align Beast X adapter cable AND the MSH governor adapter?  That's alot of adapter's.  Or is there a more efficient way to do this?  Backplate sensor? 
Dave

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Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: R6Pilot on December 28, 2017, 12:08:53 PM
I think I'll solder the MSH governor adapter to the sensor so I can plug into ikon gov port. 

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Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: Rodney Kirstine on December 28, 2017, 12:31:56 PM
I cut that connector off and crimped on pins for a normal servo connector.  Note that you're going to have to swap two of those pins from what their normal colors would indicate when using a normal servo adapter.  I'm at work right now so I'll edit this post later, after I get a chance to look at mine and verify for sure which ones I swapped.
Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: R6Pilot on January 05, 2018, 08:47:58 AM
I cut that connector off and crimped on pins for a normal servo connector.  Note that you're going to have to swap two of those pins from what their normal colors would indicate when using a normal servo adapter.  I'm at work right now so I'll edit this post later, after I get a chance to look at mine and verify for sure which ones I swapped.
Hello Rodney, yes, I have heard the wires need to be switched when using the align sensor.  The gov sensor had 3 wires, red, black and white.  Black must be positive and red signal?  Not sure.  I'm using the ikon 1 with the governor port on the side, I cannot use the servo leads. 

I'm still waiting on the kit, should be here in the next week or so.  It's the typical Pacific NW rainy season here, I've got majority of parts, and the Christmas decorations/ lights are put away.  It's kit building time!  And I've been flying the N5C exclusively on Real Flight for the past 2 months. 

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Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: Rodney Kirstine on January 08, 2018, 12:42:00 PM
I got sick last week and forgot all about this.  I'll set myself a reminder to remember to take a look at mine.
Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: Jon Yarger on January 08, 2018, 02:09:25 PM
The red and black need to be switched. Red to negative, black to positive, white to signal.
Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: Rodney Kirstine on January 09, 2018, 10:45:39 AM
Yeah, I double-checked mine this morning but after thinking about it, that's really the only way that it could be since the signal line always has to be in the same position.
Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: R6Pilot on January 19, 2018, 03:46:02 PM
Fantastic, thank you both for checking.  Still waiting on my kit, I've heard it should be getting to Matt any day, then to me. 

Weather sucks, I'm putting some serious time in on the Real Flight N5C model.  I did take the P380 out a few weeks ago though, which was nice. 

The anticipation is KILLING ME. 

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Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: Gabriel Sandoval on January 19, 2018, 04:35:43 PM
Worth the wait! Mine get's the most flights out of all in the fleet. ;)
Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: R6Pilot on January 20, 2018, 04:36:28 PM
Worth the wait! Mine get's the most flights out of all in the fleet. ;)
Yea!!  Gonna be a blast to build and fly.  My 5 y/o daughter has a book titled "waiting is not easy". So true. 

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Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: R6Pilot on January 24, 2018, 09:54:57 AM
Shipped!!  Should get it Monday or Tuesday! 

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Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: Damper on January 29, 2018, 10:36:35 AM
Wow, suspense is driving me crazy.
Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: R6Pilot on January 30, 2018, 03:24:18 PM
Wow, suspense is driving me crazy.
Hehe, it's here.  We can all relax now.  You get yours in the air? 

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Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: Damper on January 31, 2018, 12:54:55 AM
Wow, suspense is driving me crazy.
Hehe, it's here.  We can all relax now.  You get yours in the air? 

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Not yet . Learning curve on the Graupner radio I bought and this
being my first fbl heli setup I needed to know things versus fly bar
heli characteristics .
Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: R6Pilot on February 03, 2018, 11:42:39 AM
Yea, I get that.  I started with flybars in 2007 for a few years, had a few years break,  then came back to the hobby 2015.  So much had changed.  I absolutely love fbl, crash assessment and repair is so much easier on fbl.  I still use my 2007 DX7 though!  Good luck, hope you get her in the air soon. 

Love this kit.  I'm taking it slow and enjoying the build.  Everything goes together with zero tolerance.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180203/99b81b36f55b6decfe264af4c0c81d84.jpg)

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Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: Damper on February 07, 2018, 01:19:36 PM
You started your build  :).

I got my cranked up but had a mechanical difficulty. I put the auto hub in upside down. Easy fix after asking for support from the guys from here. I crank her up again seems all good and acting properly .

Still need to go to the field and test fly her and trim it out. Perhaps this weekend, weather permiting.

I think I should have stay with my DX7se radio myself it is easier to understand but the MZ 24 pro is coming along, it is easier to navigate around in being that I am using it more.

Have fun in your build!

 
Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: R6Pilot on February 14, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
Now that Synergy is coming out with the N556, what's the plan for the N5C? 

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Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: R6Pilot on February 14, 2018, 02:39:18 PM
Another question.  I'm setting up ikon now.  I have the Align Beast X gov sensor.  I connected the JST plug to it and hooked to Ikon.  While setting up in software, it does not show magnet detected.  I'm 100% positive I installed magnets correctly.  Stuck wm together and sharpied the outsides to determine polarity.  I checked the box for not electric and still nothing.  I also switched the wires, reversing the red and black and still no magnet detected.  Any ideas why my Ikon is not picking up the magnet?  Thanks Dave

Edit just tried all possible connections from the jst plug to the sensor and still does not sense magnet.

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Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: R6Pilot on February 14, 2018, 05:46:21 PM
Disregard, I got it to work.

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Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: Damper on February 16, 2018, 09:19:45 PM
Now that Synergy is coming out with the N556, what's the plan for the N5C? 

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No choice but to buy one now. Probably a winter project, late August.
Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: R6Pilot on February 16, 2018, 10:11:58 PM
Now that Synergy is coming out with the N556, what's the plan for the N5C? 

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No choice but to buy one now. Probably a winter project, late August.
Maybe, if anything I think my next build will be the N7 or the 516.  Damn the 516 looks amazing. 

I have everything together. Tail/boom parts have been taken apart, screws cleaned and loctited.  Haven't mounted yet as it's just easier to work on without the tail.  I have some wire sleeving arriving tomorrow.  Once I get those installed, I'll begin the electronics set up.  Model is already created in the ancient DX7 and basics programmed to the ikon.  Been a nice slow build.  I'm excited to fly her but I'll really miss the build. 

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Title: Re: Soon to be N5C pilot - few questions
Post by: Damper on February 16, 2018, 11:01:10 PM
That be sweet an N7 build. :) I have raptor 60 but I was scared to plant it that it only flew
 
casual circuits and a few autos. Very conservative with that bird not to wreck it.


The build is very soothing to do almost therapeutic in a sense. But going out and flying what

 you build puts a smile  ;D on my face . Very satisfying . Just love it when you are hovering and

She is rock steady. RPM’s pumped up a little gets your heart racing in early morning spring day.