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Synergy Electric Helicopters => Synergy E5 => Topic started by: James F on August 16, 2016, 05:08:39 PM
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What fbl units work well with an e5s. My sk540 will not play nice with a stretched e5. Works great with 556 mains though. It decided to eat a tail gear and tail blades attempting some unprompted piro's while on the ground. Not sure why but it is a good excuse to look at something new for it or I can just leave it as a 550 but that requires a motor and mains as I bought the kit with the stretch and just don't have 556 blades laying around anymore.
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Cgy750 or Vbar
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I've ran cgy,vbar all varieties, ikon, BD, Beastx and sk540. All seemed to work well for me.
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He 540 worked well right up until i swapped to the longer tail and 620 mains. Thanks the the replies guys, my winter project this year is to get a wr superbec mini, 4025 1100kv, and some 6s 5000mah packs for it might go brain 2 hd for it. I have never used anything other than sk540's and the built in bt on the brain2 looks like a nice option.
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I used a VBar Silverline, Skookum SK-720BE, and a Spirit Pro. They all worked fine.
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CGY750 gets another vote - new software interface rocks!
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I use Bavarian Demon and CGY's. I do prefer the CGY feel.
Cheers
Alan
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I'm all CGY-750 now after trying several different brands, including Skookum.
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I always liked my sk540 but it has been a pain with the e5 for some reason. To get better resolution i have to move the ball in one hole which causes binding on the push rod through the guides. Not sure whynit went crazy either as it has been in the air flying but with wag (poor resolution between gyro and servo). Got better end points on the tail servo tab and it thought i had a spinning top lol. Luckily after my original kit was wrote off i have plenty of spares to play with for a mishap or two. Hoping to rebuild it this week and get a new set of tail blades shipped, it will have to be a 12s on an15t pinion 550 though until i can get a new motor. 3635 510 and 4035 560 available for it on my work bench. That is provided i can get the 540 tp play nice until i can get a new one .
Mr mels says the 560 with 15t pinion will produce a governed headspeed of 2300 to 2350 if I remember correctly. Something for me to double checked.
Cgy a firend has on his, it was swapped for a sk720 as he found it harder to adjust. Brain and ikon look nice with the bluetooth.
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How long ago was your friends swap to the CGY? The newest firmware 2.0 is pretty much plug and play .
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iKON has worked well for me and I'm now using mini Vbar and it feels great.
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How long ago was your friends swap to the CGY? The newest firmware 2.0 is pretty much plug and play .
Early last summer i believe.
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Ikon here with e5s 626 blades. worked perfect
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How long ago was your friends swap to the CGY? The newest firmware 2.0 is pretty much plug and play .
Early last summer i believe.
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Oh yeah, 2.0 just came out this summer. I would seriously recommend giving it another try.
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I am lookin at the brain2 hd with bt. Once i get time i will read the forums and see what users are saying about it. I have seen the ikon up close and personal on an e5 when matt flew his here. To be honest i expected nothing less than excellance from him though as one of ikons boys back then.
I haven't followed who is flying for what company in some time but when i flew everyday it was nice having Colin Bell (was team align then)2 hrs east of me and Matt Clarke 40 min west. Matt put on quite the flight demo when he came to my house to fly one weekend. It was his used e5 airframe i picked up when i piled mine in. His flights that day was probably why i just didnt scrap my e5 and go with another model. He really showed it off well. Loved watching him mow the field behind my house.
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I run an old mini vbar. Works better than my flying
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FBL systems are a very personal choice. I have seen every system under the sun on an E5 and all work well for the owners. All anyone can tell you is what their personal choices are.
I have tried a few systems over the years with most of my time being on Vbar. I never liked Ikon. The feel of the pitch was never right for me and the cyclic always seemed a little harsh, tail was great though. Vbar has a great feel on the cyclic and pitch but the tail is garbage in my opinion, but you can fly around it. CGY I have flown version 1.4 and recently started testing 2.0. I don't have too much experience with it yet but I so far I'm loving it. Right now all the settings are stock and need to do some tuning but I might be changing to it completely if my testing goes the way it has been.
No matter which system you go with, even if you stick with the same one, there are a lot of knowledgeable people in here that can help you get the best out of your E5. Let us know what we can do to help.
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I started out using Microbeast units (which I feel have gotten a bad rap) but now mostly use iKon. I've got a CGY750 V2 but haven't used it yet. I've used the SK540 on one 600 size machine and loved it and I'm now anxious to try it on my N5C when I build it to see how well it's gov works with nitro. I loved the gov on electric. I love the ikon gov too, but I'm very curious about how it's gov pitch comp will work with a nitro engine. Good luck with yours.
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I started out using Microbeast units (which I feel have gotten a bad rap) but now mostly use iKon. I've got a CGY750 V2 but haven't used it yet. I've used the SK540 on one 600 size machine and loved it and I'm now anxious to try it on my N5C when I build it to see how well it's gov works with nitro. I loved the gov on electric. I love the ikon gov too, but I'm very curious about how it's gov pitch comp will work with a nitro engine. Good luck with yours.
I can tell you the sk540 gov works great with a fuel engine. I used it on my gasser. It took some playing to get it to work on the gasser as it was never intended for it. I had to set it to nitro and adjust a lot of little settings to get it to work well but the first event I took the gasser to , heliseast, I had others with the same model how I got mine to fly so well. I know the sk gov helped a lot but I also think I was more tempted to push the G20 to what century said it would do. I had to learn collective management coming from pure electrics to a gasser but it would do everything my electrics would with my limited 3D skills.
I am torn between a synergy N5C or building a 1/5th scale truck. I plan on putting my spare sk540 on the N5C if/when I get one. It may be a piece by piece build. Airframe first, motor, servo's, etc. as I limit how much I spend each month on the hobby. It would be easy to blow a lot of money fast building various models.
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Cool. Thanks for the insight on the SK540 with fuel helis. As for the 2nd part, I hate to be the one to point out what you obviously haven't realized, but a fifth scale truck won't fly 3D nearly as well as an N5C. Hope this new info helps you decide. :)
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Lol, i was trying to find video of one doing a hurricane. I do love my helis now that i got back to flying them, well it as i sold off my trex. I will be called a synergy fanboy on helifreak now.
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Trucks have been known to fly now and then. Lol @Mike Dipalo
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It's FREAK'N AWESOME!
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Ok i want it lol
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Well i have a brain 2 HD with BT coming for my E5s. The sk540 on it is flawless after replacing a bad tail gear but i am looking forward to the new features. After trying some new stuff and bailing out literally with a foot or two to spare the rescue function is going to be nice. The vibe logging will probably make me more anal about how well everything works on the E5s but i am looking forward to it.
Having only ever used skookums i am a bit nervous trying another fbl.
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One nice thing about staying with Skookum is that they are selling very cheap on the classifieds. There was an ad the other day selling an SK-540 for $60 shipped asking price, and there were three SK-720BE's selling for $215.00 each shipped asking price. It is my understanding that Art is now putting all of his efforts into the FPV thing and has pretty much dropped support for the 3D side of the house.
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One nice thing about staying with Skookum is that they are selling very cheap on the classifieds. There was an ad the other day selling an SK-540 for $60 shipped asking price, and there were three SK-720BE's selling for $215.00 each shipped asking price. It is my understanding that Art is now putting all of his efforts into the FPV thing and has pretty much dropped support for the 3D side of the house.
The problem with used is when the gyro or accelerometers are damaged and sold as next to new. Art isn't doing anything on the support side anymore for the heli's and as you said he is concentrating on commercial automatic flight control units for commercial drones from the last I heard. At one point Art would send messages every so often but I haven't heard from him in a long time. If the 720be wasn't so expensive new I probably would of went that route but MSH appears to at least answer concerns in the forums.
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I owned 5 of the now discontinued blue SK-720's. I also tried the SK-540 and recently sold my last SK-720BE. They all flew fine. The tail and the governor held just as well as the VBar Silverline (I owned 5 of those at one point). However, the SK-720/BE self-level was hit or miss. When it worked, it worked well, but if it sensed too high vibrations it would shut off mid-flight without warning. Art also refused to add the collective pitch bailout feature.
Now you can get a Spirit or Spirit Pro ($195 and $215, respectively) or a Brain2/iKon2 for $165 ($200 with integrated BT) and they are more modern and pack more features than the Skookums.
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James the Brain2 is a great unit. I've run a number of FBL systems and Brain is my personal favorite. They're very easy to set up and I feel like the software is pretty intuitive. If you have any questions feel free to hit me up with a PM.
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Thanks Danny. If i have any issues i will let you know. I don't forsee any going through the software. Just a bit different terminology for the same functions between my skookums and the brain.
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I have a Spartan VX1e on my E5s. Flies awesome.
I had a Brain 2 on my Protos 380 but I just couldn't get that locked in feeling that a Vbar or Spartan has.
For me I like Spartans on my electris one silver line Vbar on my nitros.
It was my first experience with the brain. I may give it another try on a different heli at some point.
One positive was that the rescue worked perfectly.
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I finished installing my Brain 2 today. Everything is mostly setup. Gov is setup, banks are setup, everything is working as it should from what I can see on the bench. I have to wait for a new bec to replace the new one I bought that was bad out of the box. I did get the setup done using a bec that provided enough power for unloaded servos's but doesn't hold up in flight.
I have to find Chris's video on auto rotation bail out setup. I am running in multirotor mode on the esc. Rescue and self level are working on the bench at least. I did take the extra time to install Ralph's turnbuckles that my wife bought for my birthday, and I started switching out some old ec5's to the castle 6.5mm connectors after 2 ec5 housing's split apart.
Now to sell off my sk540's and field terminal. When I get the money for an N5c scraped up I think I will put a brain on it two. I like it's features and tuning parameters over the 540's.
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Sextons tutorials are fantastic, but be aware that a lot has changed in the firmware and software since he made his videos. I think some of the guys have updated tutorials on helifreak. To use autorotation bailout you will have to make sure your throttle hold is set above 0% but less than 10%, I like to set it so I see 6%-8% in software. Because of this you will probably want to set a throttle cut switch to 0% so you can arm your ESC and so that the software will be able to initiate check mode during setup operations. Make sure auto bailout is enabled for each bank you want to use it for and set the "bailout timeout" slider for how long you want bailout to stay active after you hit throttle hold. If you set timeout for 60 seconds and it only takes you 15 seconds to auto it will still spool rapidly until that timer runs out. When bailout mode is active it will be visibly indicated on the unit by flashing the green LED. This gives you a way of knowing if it's going to spool up fast or slow when it's on the ground. You can cancel the timer at any time by flipping into a different bank and then back to the bank you want to fly in and it will spool up slowly again.
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Thanks for the info Danny. So basically set it up the same as you would if using a castle on an old flybar heli. Raise the throttle hold until it starts to turn and back it down until it stops. I will have to set another switch for throttle cut.. Thanks again.
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Similar but not necessarily the same, the motor may not begin to spin until beyond 10% throttle. It's best to go by the numbers in the software ;) But yeah that's it, pretty simple!
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Yeah my videos are no longer current. I really should pull them.
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They still offer some guidance. A bit outdated yes but better than nothing for those looking for info
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those videos , help me when I got into the synergy line, to me they were price less.
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I think his videos helped a lot of people.
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Pull them... are u kidding? Chris ur videos helped out sooo much.. before I even flew Synergy.. ur iKon videos got me on the the good foot! And even tho the few Synergy helis I saw peeked my interest... the build videos were probably the reason I bought my first Synergy... don't u dare pull them.. they are not that far off current.
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Chris, your E5 build videos were instrumental in my E5 build.
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When I set up my ikon I used Chris videos, I have never set a heli fbl , I did everything he said, they were price less to me. When I was done I took it out and had 2 clicks of trim on the elevator hover was perfect. Took it to the field, flew perfect, tail was lock in was awesome.
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Thank you for the kind words guys. It helps revitalize the desire to keep doing them.
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U absolutely should keep making them!