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General => Welcome to Synergy => Topic started by: Barry Tilson on December 24, 2012, 10:56:29 PM
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Hi All,
Barry here looking for my first kit build. Been looking for the last two years while training on smaller helis and think I've found what I'm looking for in a kit and a community to go with it. Strangely just finished a book by Stephen Covey titled "The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People" One of the last topics discussed is "Synergy". Then found myself tuning to the Synergy RC website. Looking at and E5 or E7 any opinions coming from the 450 world? Know all of the tech details between the two aircraft just looking for gut opinions? Looks like most of you own both?
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Hi All,
Barry here looking for my first kit build. Been looking for the last two years while training on smaller helis and think I've found what I'm looking for in a kit and a community to go with it. Strangely just finished a book by Stephen Covey titled "The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People" One of the last topics discussed is "Synergy". Then found myself tuning to the Synergy RC website. Looking at and E5 or E7 any opinions coming from the 450 world? Know all of the tech details between the two aircraft just looking for gut opinions? Looks like most of you own both?
Barry, welcome to Synergy! We would be happy to have you join our family and I would be happy to answer any questions you have.
Rich
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Let me second the welcome Barry. I currently am in the middle of an E5 build and it will remain and E5 on 6S however this will be my first true electric heli so that's why I want to keep it that way.
When it boils down to it you're going to want to decide how big you want and how much you're okay with spending in set up and crash costs. The E5 is a great size in the middle since it's a true 550 class and you can always stretch it to a 600 class if you want that bigger presence at a later time. Plus with the ability to start with 6S batteries and go all the way up to 12S on a stretch, the power options are virtually limitless.
I'm just a big advocate of starting in this class because it can grow as you grow or stay the same if you prefer to remain there.
Regardless, as previously mentioned we are all here to help in any way possible. You'll be on the track you want to be in no time.
Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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Barry welcome. I too am a new Synergy owner. You have made the right choice! Everyone on this site has been very gracious in helping me through my build (E5). The engineering and quality of parts will blow your mind. This will be my 6th Heli and has been the best build to date. I know it will fly better than anything I have based upon how well everything goes together... no slop its amazing!!!!
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Welcome to the Synergy family Barry!
You have found a truly warm and inviting group!
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He'll Barry and welcome!
The E5 in my opinion is a great larger heli get into. I progressed originally from a 250 then to a 450 then to a 500 size. I could have just skipped the 500 really. I purchased my first synergy used late last year (N5) and haven't looked back. The only non-Synergy heli I fly at this point is a 130x. I own an N5c, two e7's and two E5's.
If you are staying with electrics then the E5 is just the ticket. The 550 size is not nearly as intimidating as a 600 or 700. I am about to build my second E5. The first was done as a 10s machine with 556 blades. Flies great and flight times at 2250 headspeed are around 5-1/2 minutes not problem. I stretched that one this weekend and it is now a 600 machine with no changes in motor or battery. Only flew it once briefly due to the weather.
The second machine will be 6s using the Align 600mx motor, Castle 100a ESC and Align servos. I want to see if the stock Align 550 parts would work ok on the E5. I had all of these on hand except the motor. I anticipate no problems with this setup and plan on running it at 2250HS also.
Again welcome.
Cheers
Alan
Alan Butler
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first of all great book! secondly, both the E7 and E5 are great machines in their own right. you wont find better machining and quality!! Coming from a 450 I wouldnt expect to many ppl to jump straight to a 700 class machine BUT the beauty of the E6/7 is just that you have a choice right out of the box. 700's can be very intimidating, but it depends on the individual and their budget. obviously replacing 556 blades is a lot easier to swallow versus 696 blades, but again to each his own.. the E5 as you may have read is verastile as well..build it as an E5 or stretch it as an E6. It's smaller frame set and lighter weight certainly makes it a high performing machine.
hope we've all helped you! good luck!!
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Welcome Barry, Crazy way to end up here, But you in the right place! Welcome!
BR,
Kevin
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Ok the winner is E7! ;D Now on order! kit and blades! I tend to fallow the go big or go home theory which is not mentioned in the book referenced early. Did a lot of looking and reviews and just love how quite it is and the over all design and looks great. Looking to set up for mild learning mode. Looks like 2000ish is a good head speed? Thinking the new Ice2 castle, not sure on the servos and FBL controller yet.
Thanks for all your input!
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Glad to hear that Barry. I have two E7's. One with 690 blades and a hacker motor. The other with a Scorpion 4035-560 running the 716 blades. I run 1950 on the 690 machine and 1850 on the 716 one. Both use a Castle Ice 2 HV120. I really like the lower headspeeds.
FBL units are a hard decision these days. Lots of good units out there. I have CGY750's, VBar, Helicommand and most recently an IKON. No complaints with any of them. Helicommand is my personal favorite right now followed by the CGY750.
Cheers
Alan
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Congrats on your new E7, you are going to love it. I'm with Alen, I like the lower head speeds. The lower head speed takes a little of the super aggressiveness out of the collective. Welcome to Synergy!
Rich
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Thanks for the info. Looking forward to the build. Hoping to get it ready for this years flying season. I will spend some time looking at everyones setups.
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Nice upgrade from my first heli! Very nice!
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Moving up from the mcpx! Wow, that will be a hug improvement both in quality and performance. You will love not having the tail blowout :)
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2 MCPX's, Blade 450-3D, 130x and lots of simming. Need more parts! I like the rail blades. Tail box is very nice.
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Nice I have had all of the above as well. I decided I wanted a Synergy from flying it in Real Flight and watching Matt fly it on the Midnight Flight video on YouTube. Once I found this support forum and the quality of people on here I was hooked. Have fun with the build!
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Same here. I like the forum centered around the same interests. The simple well designed quiet heli.
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You are going to be absolutely blown away when you fly it. If you've flown a 450-3D successfully, the E7 will feel like it's flying itself.
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That's what I'm hoping for! Two years of flying little twitchy hard to see helis. Still have to pick out the electronics. Use to the out of the box experience. Good time to spend building for the new season.
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Now have 2 E7's! Just got into Synergy and they are multiplying! Picked this one up off the forums.
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Twins. What a great deal.
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Like!
Having two E7's I better than one. I have 716's on one and 696's on the other.
I fly the 696 e7 more than anything else. It nice having a backup of essentially the same model.
Cheers
Alan
Alan Butler
Team Synergy
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You will all find that Alan needs an Intervention!!! lol
Kevin
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You will all find that Alan needs an Intervention!!! lol
Kevin
Yeah brother!
Kevin's been saying that for a while:-)
I look at it this way. There are worse addictions!
Alan
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I went to a 12 step program and I will have you know I only own 6 synergys now as opposed to 11 and only 4 other helis.. lol And I haven't had an urge to buy in over 30 days of my last Meeting. ;)
Kevin
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Very nice, Barry!
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Synergy E7 TT | Green LE Canopy
4525-520 LE Motor
Futaba R6108SB Receiver
Futaba BLS253/251Tail
Rail 696/106
HC3-SX
Kontronik Heli Jive 120+ HV
Might try out Futaba?
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Synergy E7 TT | Green LE Canopy
4525-520 LE Motor
Futaba R6108SB Receiver
Futaba BLS253/251Tail
Rail 696/106
HC3-SX
Kontronik Heli Jive 120+ HV
Might try out Futaba?
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As in a radio? Can't go wrong with the 8FG. Though I really love my 18MZ.
Now is this your first Helicommand? That thing is awesome! I have three. Waiting for a Red Devil to come in for the other E5. If they only had a Gov :-( . Heard that may be in the works though.
And I only have 5 Synergy's :-)
Alan
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Nope first time with any FBL controller. I have the WK-M on a hex with GPS. Two MCPX's and a 130x FBL. Nothin like this. The person a naught it from offered to get me up and going with his set up. He has the HC3SX on all four or five of his heli's.
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Sounds like you are in good hands then.
You will like the HC3-SX.
Cheers
Alan
Alan Butler
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Yep very excited. Just trying to figure out if I want to jump ship to the greatness that is Futaba! This heli is so cleanly put together with the s-bus.
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Yes SBus rocks!
Alan
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Flight #19 in the rain. Does anyone else fly in the rain? Tried a mini auto and stuck the tail in the mud spraying my heli with grass and mud! Need some monster truck tires!
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Flight #19 in the rain. Does anyone else fly in the rain? Tried a mini auto and stuck the tail in the mud spraying my heli with grass and mud! Need some monster truck tires!
That's why we don't fly in the rain😄
Seriously though I have flown in a light mist but never in the rain. Probably wouldn't bother the motor but flybarless units would like it much. The Helicommands have the sockets facing upwards and water could get in easily.
Alan
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It wasn't that bad just exaggerating a bit.
LOL
Dry when I started to a very light rain. Not good for the DX8 either.
Coming up on two hours if flight with no crashes! Starting to get comfortable with the way it flies.
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Doh! First 700 crash flight #20. Working on inverted hovering basics. Drove head first in the the mud! Broke the Todd Bennit rule not three mistakes high.
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Shame on me! Might have to go back to my Traxxas Summit?
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That is one muddy mess!
Just a pain to clean everything out. Been their though. Not quite that muddy:-)
Alan Butler
Team Synergy
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Love my wife!
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For the most part this plus some bearings need to be replaced. Still need to bench check the electronics. They look good so far. Might need a pep talk! LOL
Hey found a use for my other E7 kit!
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Well my worst crash was about the same amount of damage.
You will likely need to change ALL the bearings for the main shaft and the radials in the head if I had to guess. Was that a blade grip arm? Man that bearing block is toast. Never bent one of those. I did bend a whole tail assembly once :-)
So there is your pep talk... Bottom line is that it could always have been worse.
Keep us posted on the rebuild.
Cheers
Alan
Alan Butler
Team Synergy
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Thanks working the five stages if grief now! Currently on bargaining "anyone want to by a heli"!
Must have skipped depression and moved right to acceptance as I already ordered another KDE head. The other one is toast.
Funny thing is watched the smack talk video E7 review earlier today and Matt says it would be hard to bend that grip arm! Totally killed it.
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With a hit that hard I would look at the inner swash balls and see if any are bent. If you we're running the long ball mod there is a good chance.
Sorry to see the damage. You will be back up in the air soon.
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Swash balls look ok. The issue is the mud got into everything. The big swash ball is slightly damaged and a little gritty. I don't think it comes apart?
Not sure on getting it up soon. Take my time building it. I may go back to the sim for a while. Need to work out some more basics. In can fly it pretty good right side up just not inverted.
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Yes my worst crash to date was when I started working on inverted last summer. I was probably a little premature trying it and let the E7 get off to my left side. Corrected wrong and put it in. Was only about 1 mistake high at the time. Bad decisions on my part.
That was just prior to IRCHA last year. Went to IRCHA and bought 2 hellicommands. No major crashes to date. I am much more daring with the HC's installed. Thank You Helicommand!
You must get the muscle memory down. I still have more trouble with tail in inverted than nose in. Lots and lots of sim time really helps with the muscle memory. With the HC though you should feel at least a little more comfortable. For me its more of the fear of crashing than the actual skill. Mind over matter!
Didn't that E7 have a HC3-SX?
Alan
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Yeh it did have it and it paid for it self at least 40 times in 20 flights. I was inverted 30 feet and pushed up I must have glanced left and back and it powered in at third stick right on the head. Very impressive with all the water. I have another airframe sitting here as a back up. Priced it out with the 716 blades upgrade to be about $600 in damage.
Not sure if the 716s will work with the KDE lowered head and 106 tail blades?
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Grr!!!! My day job had become a major time suck! Just bought out on Monday and picking up the prices along the journey. Don't mind the new experience but no time to fly or wrench. My have to put the E7 back together at IRCHA! Hasn't flown since February. Maybe I will bring my sim and a generator. LOL
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Try to get it up in the air before summer is over. :)
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Will maiden the E7 this week after the rebuild. It hasn't flow since March due to lack if time form my day job issues. Hoping to fly it next week.
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Second build? I have 1-3/4 E7's. Should I build up the 3/4 into a second E7 or get an E5 going? Kinda thinking the E5 would be fun!
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Use the 3/4 E7 for spares. Build an E5!
I fly the E5 more than the E7 these days. Just finished an E5 stretch.
Cheers
Alan
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The E5 is definitely a blast. I've been flying mine every day this week and having just as much fun with it as I did when I first got it. I absolutely love the way it flies.
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The E5 is definitely a blast. I've been flying mine every day this week and having just as much fun with it as I did when I first got it. I absolutely love the way it flies.
Oh yea, I got done with mine exactly 3 weeks ago and I've got over 50 flights on her already.
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Love my wife!
I realize the quoted post is old but I swear they all go to a class when they are young. A class nobody talks about that teaches them how to treat there significant others possessions. What I'm saying is, I have come home to that exact thing soo many times! I enjoy the heck out of the E7, I have 62 flight cycles on it since last Tuesday. I am looking forward to the N5c, I am sure I will fly it more than my E7, only because the E7 as you all know covers soo much ground! Rapidly! Plus I have a crush on .50 nitro birds and from the looks of it this one will fly the same all synergy birds do. And that is without bird endangering mechanical failures (thanks Matt!).
I want to get an E5 when I finish the build on the nitro, I guess what I wanted to say is the E5 is pretty appealing. Great performance, faultless design, a bit smaller, the only problem you would have is maybe returning your 12s sticks to two 6s form? I know the E7se uses a lot of the same parts as the E5 so a spare that works for the E7 may work on the E5.
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Enjoying my first full build with my E5 was going to build and E7 last year and ended up buying a used one last year at this time. Flew it for a year with three crashes and rebuilds. Used up some of the parts from the original kit.
Day two if the E5 and it's a very nice kit to assemble. Enjoying the quiet assembly during these cold days.
Oddly enough just yesterday I bought another used Synergy this one is the E7se version with vbar and Futaba 14sg. Going to enjoy comparing the two and the different components compared to the DX8 and 3sx controller.
Is there such a thing as Heliholics Anonymous?
Or is that what this forum is for?
Barry
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Enjoying my first full build with my E5 was going to build and E7 last year and ended up buying a used one last year at this time. Flew it for a year with three crashes and rebuilds. Used up some of the parts from the original kit.
Day two if the E5 and it's a very nice kit to assemble. Enjoying the quiet assembly during these cold days.
Oddly enough just yesterday I bought another used Synergy this one is the E7se version with vbar and Futaba 14sg. Going to enjoy comparing the two and the different components compared to the DX8 and 3sx controller.
Is there such a thing as Heliholics Anonymous?
Or is that what this forum is for?
Barry
Lol - if there was a Heliholics Anonymous... A couple of us here would be running for president of the club :)
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Enjoying my first full build with my E5 was going to build and E7 last year and ended up buying a used one last year at this time. Flew it for a year with three crashes and rebuilds. Used up some of the parts from the original kit.
Day two if the E5 and it's a very nice kit to assemble. Enjoying the quiet assembly during these cold days.
Oddly enough just yesterday I bought another used Synergy this one is the E7se version with vbar and Futaba 14sg. Going to enjoy comparing the two and the different components compared to the DX8 and 3sx controller.
Is there such a thing as Heliholics Anonymous?
Or is that what this forum is for?
Barry
Lol - if there was a Heliholics Anonymous... A couple of us here would be running for president of the club :)
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Yeah the HA office is right next to the divorce court!
Barry
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Hummmm.... Wonder who is in the running... Let me guess.. Kevin right :-)
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Yeah the HA office is right next to the divorce court!
Barry
Maybe, but 'tis better to have your face buried in a helicopter than between the legs of a strange woman.
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Cheaper to!
Barry
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Cheaper to!
Cheaper than what? :-X
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Cheaper to!
Cheaper than what? :-X
;)
Sorry didn't come across correctly. Got a wonderful woman. Won't be jeopardizing it. Will be building and flying helis and it's cheaper than the other option.
If your addicted to helis as much as me don't forget to pay attention to your lady. 😘
Family first!
Barry
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I hear ya... my wife gave me a Synergy E5 for my birthday last year... she attached a note to the box saying, "I know I'm encouraging you in your hobbies but just remember that your wife is the best hobby of all!!!"
Amen to that!
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My wife always tells me she way more fun to play with the any helis! 😀
Barry
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That's awesome Dany, my wife has a VooDoo Doll of Matt every time a new heli comes out she gives it a little prick! I have a few N7's and Matt had the Flu?? All I'm saying ::)
K
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That's awesome Dany, my wife has a VooDoo Doll of Matt every time a new heli comes out she gives it a little prick! I have a few N7's and Matt had the Flu?? All I'm saying ::)
K
I think we need some Botos VooDoo Synergy swag dolls! I'll bet all of our wives would buy them!
Barry
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Sweet
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I'd much prefer an Amy doll, she is much prettier ;D
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Crazy life!
Just getting back to my E5 build that I picked up for Xmas! Swapping my low volt set up off the E7 to get it going. Can't wait to see how it flys.
Barry
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Maidened the E5 today! Starting the tuning.
Barry
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8 Flights and tuned. Seems like the main gear has a lot of up and down play coming from the one way bearing.
Barry
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Did you use a shim? Also, everything is installed facing the right way too correct?
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Didn't see a shim in the manual. 4 more flights. Flying great just seems easy to wiggle. I will take it apart and double check the assembly.
Barry
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Could you post a pick so we can see how much wiggle there is?
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24 flights! Tightened up the top collar. Will try to post a video.
Barry
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Glad it is working better for you now.
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Thanks so much for letting me in! I'd appreciate if you help in any way possible! Both machines are in sooth great! I know it will fly better than anything I have based upon how well everything goes together... its just amazing! Your ideas are successful! The list of habits of successful people is located at http://skywritingservice.com/blog/top-25-habits-of-successful-people (http://skywritingservice.com/blog/top-25-habits-of-successful-people). See if you are there!
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Welcome Barry,
The help here is great and the synergy kits are extremely well made. I have an E5 flown on 12s in both the 556mm blade setup and as a stretch with 620mm blades. It makes a really nice and versatile first build.
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very old thread brought back to life by a troll. this thread is from 2012 IIRC