Post by: Barry Tilson on August 17, 2014, 11:33:46 AM
Barry
Post by: Roger on August 17, 2014, 11:59:55 AM
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Post by: Rodney Kirstine on August 17, 2014, 12:36:16 PM
Post by: Barry Tilson on August 17, 2014, 01:47:21 PM
I have the N7, OS 91HZ-R speed, Hotori pipe. And Futaba LV servos and the BD3SX.
I like doing it right the first time. Thoughts?
Sullivan starter?
OWB start shaft?
Switch Glo?
Multigov with my BD 3SX.
Fuel not sure? 20%
Futaba throttle servo?
Not going to run HV as I have the typical servos from the E7
Flight pack? 4000mah as needed for balance.
Flight pack switch?
Barry
Post by: Dan Minick on August 17, 2014, 03:03:11 PM
http://www.perfectregulators.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=37&product_id=84 (http://www.perfectregulators.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=37&product_id=84)
http://www.perfectregulators.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=37&product_id=79 (http://www.perfectregulators.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=37&product_id=79)
Post by: Chris Sexton on August 17, 2014, 03:06:47 PM
I think I need a throttle servo, governor, starter, glow starter, 696 mains, 106 tails, fuel pump stuff.
I have the N7, OS 91HZ-R speed, Hotori pipe. And Futaba LV servos and the BD3SX.
I like doing it right the first time. Thoughts?
Sullivan starter?
OWB start shaft?
Switch Glo?
Multigov with my BD 3SX.
Fuel not sure? 20%
Futaba throttle servo?
Not going to run HV as I have the typical servos from the E7
Flight pack? 4000mah as needed for balance.
Flight pack switch?
Barry
I think you are going to love the N7 ;)
Your questions:
Sullivan starter : Not even a doubt.. Get it
OWB start shaft? I use the Heli-Max Starter Wand with OWB
Switch Glo? I use Push Glo type devices lighter and eliminates the need to program radio
Multigov with my BD 3SX. Multigov all the way
Fuel not sure? 20% I prefer 30% with the 91 Speed black. Its readily available too, 20 can he harder to find
Futaba throttle servo? I would just get a matching Cyclic. I always match the Throttle to cyclic
Not going to run HV as I have the typical servos from the E7
Flight pack? 4000mah as needed for balance. Yep
Flight pack switch? I prefer mechanical switches. Get a HD Switch or make one. Just make sure you have 2 power leads to balance load. Dyecrocker beat me to the Perfect Regulators link. I use this on both of my nitros.
Post by: Barry Tilson on August 17, 2014, 09:23:50 PM
Post by: Mike King on August 17, 2014, 09:45:49 PM
Post by: Chris Sexton on August 17, 2014, 10:50:03 PM
This guy?Yep that's it.
Post by: Ross Lawton on August 18, 2014, 03:03:56 AM
Your questions:
Sullivan starter: As above, Not even a doubt.. Get it!! It will be one of the best investments you make.
OWB start shaft? I use the a Robbe OWb starter wand with my Dynatron, works like a champ!
Switch Glo? I use a Gryphon Tiny-Booster - Comes with push ignition or able to be controlled via Tx switch.
Fuel not sure?: I've used 30% for years but i found 20% to be smoother and easier to tune than 30%, and with the OS105 it runs better for me personally.
Futaba throttle servo?: As Above, try to match the speed of the throttle servo as close as possible to the cyclic, or even slightly faster if you can.
Flight pack?: As above, choose a pack as needed for balance.
Flight pack switch?: I prefer to keep it as simple as possible but i also like to add a bit of safety aswell, on my N7 i run the Scott Gray Reactor HVx with a 3S lipo powering the setup. I have got for my other N7 a JR E-Switch which has a Deans type HD power input cable to connect to the battery and two power input leads into the FBL system/Rx. Part number for the switch is: (JRP0450).
Hope this helps,
Cheers,
Ross
Post by: Barry Tilson on August 18, 2014, 07:55:21 AM
Being spoiled by the Kontronik BEC on my electrics I may have to come up with a regulator to step down my servo voltage coming off the flight pac? I think these Futaba servos typically run at 5.6v?
Post by: Ross Lawton on August 18, 2014, 08:10:35 AM
If you go for something like the Gryphon Vega regulator, this can accept upto 10V so it can be powered by a 7.4v lipo and will regulate from 4.8V to 7.7V which is adjustable on the regulator itself. I use the Quasar HV on my E5 and E7se and run a regulated 6v on those machines.
The Gryphon BEC's/Regulators are very light, reliable and work exceptionally well. The Vega and Quasar have two output leads which helps to share the power load.
Futaba low voltage (LV) servos usually run upto 6v except the tail servis which usually are 4.8v. Check the specs of the servos you have to confirm what voltage they will take.
Hope this helps,
Cheers,
Ross
Post by: Rodney Kirstine on August 18, 2014, 08:41:51 AM
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The Gryphon BEC's/Regulators are very light, reliable and work exceptionally well. The Vega and Quasar have two output leads which helps to share the power load.
The Gryphon regulators also have in input for a pin flag switch, which they also sell.
This is the switch I'm using on both of my N7s.
http://www.fromeco.org/products/04frcbadsw-420s/ (http://www.fromeco.org/products/04frcbadsw-420s/)
Perfect regulators also has this guy that has a voltage regulator, power switch, and glow igniter all in one package:
http://www.perfectregulators.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=37&product_id=79 (http://www.perfectregulators.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=37&product_id=79)
Post by: Jeff_Barrett on August 18, 2014, 10:55:19 PM
I run the BD 3X on mine and use the CY ATGv3, it works great!
Post by: Barry Tilson on August 19, 2014, 05:16:28 AM
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This is the switch I'm using on both of my N7s.
http://www.fromeco.org/products/04frcbadsw-420s/ (http://www.fromeco.org/products/04frcbadsw-420s/)
Like the looks of the switch.
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Post by: Chuck Bole on August 19, 2014, 06:53:46 PM
Is nitro addictive? Not to toot my own horn, but yes. Just got back into nitro a few weeks ago. Been all electric since 2005/ 2006. I converted a Stratus to E power back in the day. Went to a N9 shortly after that 2007 i think.
converted that to electric. So on and so on. Anyway i'm really digging the N7. Never thought i go back to nitro.
But here i go and enjoying it. Matt really hit one out of the park on this heli.
Let me know about the servo.
chuck
Post by: Barry Tilson on August 19, 2014, 09:48:25 PM
Thanks Chuck
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Post by: Chuck Bole on August 19, 2014, 10:08:10 PM
Just buy me a burger and a drink next time we run into each other at a funfly or Ircha next year and we're even.
chuck
Post by: Drew Robinson on August 21, 2014, 04:52:10 PM
Awesome meeting you at Ircha Barry, fun pitting next to you. I use the Formeco switch on my n7, I run straight 2s lipo to my futaba bls272hv ( pretty much same as 255) and almost 400 flights has been a very reliable setup!
Drew
Post by: Barry Tilson on August 21, 2014, 08:55:25 PM
Yeah can't wait to get the N7 up and running! Thanks for all the tips and tricks. It was great to see how quick you can recover. Working to put the IRCHA crashed E7 back together first. Lots of bent parts she hit in hard, glad it was the last day! Not in a big hurry as the E5 is going strong.
Barry
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Post by: peteowlsmith on September 17, 2014, 08:26:29 AM
For years I was nitro, and then had to jump into electric.
I got a Furion 6 -- thing hot started for some reason and scared me to death. Ever since I was paranoid about working on it, triple checking that the motor was disconnected.... After running 2 batteries down to single digit charge, and $180, I decided to go back nitro.
Even Bobby Watts said his favorite day is to go to the field with a gallon of nitro. No charger / generator / swapping batteries. Just keeping the mosquitos at bay 8)
Post by: Richard Rollins on September 26, 2014, 06:13:05 PM
Rick
Post by: Barry Tilson on September 26, 2014, 10:02:34 PM
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Post by: Richard Rollins on September 28, 2014, 03:13:25 PM
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Post by: Barry Tilson on September 30, 2014, 05:35:18 PM
Seems like the push glows are out of stock.
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Post by: Barry Tilson on September 30, 2014, 06:47:15 PM
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Post by: Rodney Kirstine on September 30, 2014, 07:57:10 PM
http://www.helidirect.com/plurx-36002-pulse-lipo-3600mah-74vreceiver-battery-ultra-power-series-p-26536.hdx (http://www.helidirect.com/plurx-36002-pulse-lipo-3600mah-74vreceiver-battery-ultra-power-series-p-26536.hdx)
http://www.hobbypartz.com/98p-4000-2s1p-2222-rx.html (http://www.hobbypartz.com/98p-4000-2s1p-2222-rx.html)
This is another, more expensive, option:
http://www.thunderpowerrc.com/Products/G8-Pro-Lite-Rx-LiPo/TP3800-2SPPRX (http://www.thunderpowerrc.com/Products/G8-Pro-Lite-Rx-LiPo/TP3800-2SPPRX)
Post by: Jeff_Barrett on September 30, 2014, 10:09:57 PM
Post by: Rodney Kirstine on October 01, 2014, 09:18:10 AM
Seems like the push glows are out of stock.
Here are a couple of other options:
http://www.amain.com/ProTek-R-C-TruGlow-Remote-Glow-Ignitor-System/p238760?utm_campaign=recommended_products (http://www.amain.com/ProTek-R-C-TruGlow-Remote-Glow-Ignitor-System/p238760?utm_campaign=recommended_products)
http://www.experiencerc.com/store/gryphon_auto_booster_remote_operated_glow_igniter_gab-5500-p-12917.html (http://www.experiencerc.com/store/gryphon_auto_booster_remote_operated_glow_igniter_gab-5500-p-12917.html)
Post by: Yanick Larouche on October 11, 2014, 07:48:50 PM
Post by: Barry Tilson on November 20, 2014, 06:10:31 PM
Post by: Barry Tilson on November 23, 2014, 11:44:47 AM
Is the Perfect Regulators Trio switch used to turn on and off receiver power?
http://www.perfectregulators.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=37&product_id=79
Post by: Rodney Kirstine on November 23, 2014, 12:57:04 PM
Post by: Barry Tilson on November 23, 2014, 01:45:54 PM
Post by: Barry Tilson on November 23, 2014, 08:05:56 PM
Post by: Barry Tilson on November 29, 2014, 11:38:34 AM
Going to try out e perfect regulators Flex reg trio pro.
Picked up the Sullivan starter and wand.
Rail 696/106
Still need a fuel line, flight pack and fuel pump/filling set up.
Do I need after run oil?
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Post by: Barry Tilson on December 26, 2014, 05:41:34 PM
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Post by: Mike Spano on December 27, 2014, 09:49:19 AM
Post by: Barry Tilson on December 27, 2014, 11:11:36 AM
I have used an old toothbrush before to hold the crank. A plastic one obviously.... Be careful if you do this though, I have broken a piston skirt doing this too, not paying attention.....the crank lock prevents this from happening.....
Thanks.
What do you use to lock the exhaust hardware? Red thread locker?
Post by: Barry Tilson on December 27, 2014, 02:16:30 PM
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Post by: Barry Tilson on December 30, 2014, 09:37:07 PM
Next up need to figure out how to set up the throttle.
How does the engine get shut off? Is it a switch rigged mix to achieve a closed throttle?
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Post by: Chris Sexton on December 30, 2014, 10:06:25 PM
Team iKON - Nitro Gov Basic Setup (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYO4Upkrp8A#ws)
Post by: Barry Tilson on December 31, 2014, 07:14:09 PM
Received the rest of my parts just in time for a New Years build day!
Post by: Barry Tilson on January 01, 2015, 10:35:51 AM
Post by: Chris Sexton on January 01, 2015, 11:39:33 AM
Also when trimming the shroud make sure you trim enough around the head so that the shroud is not touching the head. You need it to be free to move so that you can properly adjust the position. You can leave the fan touching by mistake and not know it.
Post by: Barry Tilson on January 01, 2015, 11:45:48 AM
Yes you will need to open that up some. The carb is meant to pull air from the fan. kind of a super charger effect. Most .91 and 1.20 engines offer velocity stacks for the carbs too.
Also when trimming the shroud make sure you trim enough around the head so that the shroud is not touching the head. You need it to be free to move so that you can properly adjust the position. You can leave the fan touching by mistake and not know it.
Thanks,
Yes I did figure out that the fan needs to be able to move where it needs to be without touching the motor.
Post by: Barry Tilson on January 01, 2015, 03:43:32 PM
Still fun just a lot off new things to deal with.
Post by: Kevin Feil on January 01, 2015, 10:10:36 PM
K
Post by: Barry Tilson on January 01, 2015, 10:44:25 PM
Man you got me all fired up again, pulled my N7 down to bare bones and rebuilt her from the ground up.. Can't wait to burn some nitro now. Your Build is looking good!! Can't wait for you to get hooked after the first tank, go ahead and plan to get an N5c. ;) now that's a fun machine when set up correctly..
K
Yeah, not going to lie the N5c has crossed my mind. I love flying the 700's when I have the room for them. Seem to be flying my E5 most of the time. The NX4 has temped me however I prefer the quality of my Synergy heli's. I have never flown a 600 but heard its a great size. Looking for something new for 2015? A heli hauling trailer might be in order as they wont all fit in my Sportwagon.
Post by: Barry Tilson on January 01, 2015, 10:47:15 PM
Post by: Ross Lawton on January 02, 2015, 03:00:46 AM
Ross
Post by: Kevin Feil on January 02, 2015, 08:17:46 AM
K
Post by: Barry Tilson on January 05, 2015, 08:43:13 PM
Post by: Chris Sexton on January 06, 2015, 07:19:25 AM
Post by: Barry Tilson on January 06, 2015, 08:08:25 PM
Flex Reg Trio huh... I guess that's a cool one. Let you use a 3S lipo input so you can get consistent voltage to the servos going out. Nice.Seems to work nice. It's a little long making it hard to find a location. Combo on off switch and glow driver works great.
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Post by: Kurt_t26 on January 14, 2015, 03:54:52 PM
I only have the frame so far but I'm looking at goin the os105 although I really like the 91 speed red top.
I think I'll b coming to this thread a bit for help on what parts I'm going to need.
Post by: Barry Tilson on January 22, 2015, 08:50:04 PM
I know how u feel Barry. I've just bought myself an N7 after flying electrics for the past cple of years. It's gana b good not have to spend all that time charging.I have learned a bunch here!
I only have the frame so far but I'm looking at goin the os105 although I really like the 91 speed red top.
I think I'll b coming to this thread a bit for help on what parts I'm going to need.
Post by: Barry Tilson on January 22, 2015, 08:51:51 PM
Need to figure out cut off, is it just a mix off a switch? I know how to do the trim and channel.
Post by: Barry Tilson on January 29, 2015, 07:15:46 PM
Post by: Barry Tilson on February 07, 2015, 10:52:17 AM
Just need:
Final head rigging, I was holding out to try out the new Soko heli iOS app for leveling the main shaft. Seems to be stuck in approvals at Apple.
Fuel supply line hook up.
Final secure of the exhaust hardware.
Secure some wiring.
Question: I have the thick foam tape that came with the BD3sx. It seems like this may be to loose? You wiggle the unit and the servos interact accordingly. Any experience with using the thinner tape on nitros?
Should be getting close to a maiden when the weather breaks.
Post by: Rodney Kirstine on February 07, 2015, 11:38:24 AM
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Post by: Barry Tilson on February 07, 2015, 07:02:51 PM
Who says you can buck rivets at the kitchen table!
Starter is ready!!!!!!!
Turned the motor over!!!
I need a cigarette! LOL
Post by: Rodney Kirstine on February 07, 2015, 07:44:16 PM
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Post by: Richard Rollins on February 08, 2015, 07:55:46 PM
Post by: Barry Tilson on February 08, 2015, 08:28:59 PM
What motor ? YS I don't use anything just make sure carb is cleared out on last flight , OS I use a very little after run oil. I learned this from my airplane motors YS seems to like life dry in the off season from my experience and OS is opposite ( little oil )OS91
Post by: Ross Lawton on February 09, 2015, 03:01:58 AM
What oils do we use for engine storage. After run?
I generally won't use an after-run oil unless i am planning on not flying for a extended period of time, but what i do with every engine after flying is to run it clean so that any fuel left in the engine is burnt away leaving only the oils. I also turn the piston to top dead center and close off the carb and plug the exhaust.
I find this method helps keep the engine and fuel system in good condition.
Hope this helps,
Cheers,
Ross
Post by: Barry Tilson on April 17, 2015, 09:07:39 PM
Yes life is busy and I love to build Heli's as much as I like to fly them. However it's also great to learn how others build heli's and set them up.
It was pure joy to fly the N5c today and can't wait to explore more or the feeling and tuning. These flights today have me wondering what's in store for my N7 maiden.
Can't wait 5 synergies at IRCHA this year!
I've very blessed and fortunate to get to enjoy this hobby and still be married. LOL
Post by: Rodney Kirstine on April 17, 2015, 09:16:08 PM
Post by: Barry Tilson on April 17, 2015, 10:12:06 PM
Awesome! I spent some time on the phone with Ray going through the CGY-750 setup with him when he built that N5C. You definitely got one with low hours on the clock.This is the first time flying CGY750 and it was very nice.
I like the screen, defiantly going to look into it.
Post by: Rodney Kirstine on April 17, 2015, 11:06:41 PM
Post by: Mark Dean on April 18, 2015, 06:06:30 AM
Oh the N7 is just a more addictive, bigger, and more awesome nitro machine. Get ready to buy lots of fuel. Your addiction is just beginning.
Mark
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Post by: rcnut on April 18, 2015, 06:57:29 AM
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...Oh the N7 is just a more addictive, bigger, and more awesome nitro machine. Get ready to buy lots of fuel. Your addiction is just beginning.
I second that! ;D Having 3 helis with big block motors in them is an ultimite rush! My addiction started a long time ago! LoL!
Post by: Barry Tilson on April 19, 2015, 12:11:05 PM
Post by: rcnut on April 20, 2015, 12:28:07 PM
Buy yea...the bigger motors really burn up the fuel! I might need to pickup the N5cTT for better fuel economy!
Post by: Barry Tilson on April 20, 2015, 08:25:36 PM