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Synergy Electric Helicopters => Synergy 766 => Topic started by: Cliff Chmiel on May 27, 2017, 11:12:56 PM

Title: esc shut down
Post by: Cliff Chmiel on May 27, 2017, 11:12:56 PM
Maiden went bad,,ship was flying perfect, started off on 1600 felt good did few fig 8 switch up to 1750 felt even better few rolls and a loop . then switch to idle up 3  1900 felt great tail was awesome few more rolls then into a loop rolled inverted about 25 off the ground esc shut down, I flipped back over and tried to auto pancaked on the skids, broke one blade bent feathing shaft no boom damage, no skid damage, canopy is fine, still have to check the tail. Esc was beeping I think it shut down on over heat. running a xnova 4530-500kv on a 13th pinion, motor is brand new. Esc I used in a plane, Esc setup on insensitive, mutirotor like I do on all my ships let ikon do everything. Esc is cc 160 with fan. Motor, and gearing is super smooth, just like chris video. None of the plugs were hot esc was not even hot, motor was 130, I keep temp gun in my trailer. Any idea what happen? Should I replace the esc?  Cliff
Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: curmudgeon on May 27, 2017, 11:34:40 PM
I would first verify that Cutoffs >> Current Limiting is set to Insensitive (280A).  Check the Castle logs.  It will most likely show what happened at the instant the ESC shut off.   Post the PDF of the Castle settings.
Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Cliff Chmiel on May 27, 2017, 11:42:44 PM
Very odd just check esc log it recorded nothing, I'm mean nothing, it recorded the time only 5min everything else is not there. I do not under stand this, I pluged esc back in at the field, and shows me testing it, the flight before is blank.
Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Cliff Chmiel on May 27, 2017, 11:44:20 PM
My guess is when it shut down did not save the info.
Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Cliff Chmiel on May 28, 2017, 12:03:05 AM
Shows nothing(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170528/075c50e83c9a5fa5b8d4d3a05fac089e.jpg)

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Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: curmudgeon on May 28, 2017, 06:53:24 AM
I was under the impression that Castle saved the logs moment to moment.  I am surprised it does not do that.


Have you checked your Current Limiting setting?
Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Jason Cummings on May 28, 2017, 01:04:35 PM
Sorry you're having trouble, not knowing the cause is the worst! I had a similar problem early on that would not go away until I replaced the ikon. Twice the esc shut down and then the rudder shut off in flight. If you cant find fault with the esc try swapping the flight controller.
Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Cliff Chmiel on May 28, 2017, 01:32:03 PM
Ikon is brand new too, I call  in a new esc, see what happens, will just hover around for a few flights, felt so good off I went. I have 6 other ikons , with no problems, the esc was the only used part in it, was in a extreme flight 91" yak on the hh 360 motor, that I really push hard on. Have a new hv 120 but I think its too small.
Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: curmudgeon on May 28, 2017, 03:04:50 PM
Maybe unrelated, but make sure to inspect the 160HV for physical damage.  I've had a capacitor fracture off both a CC ICE2 160HV and later on a CC EDGE 160HV.


(https://www.helifreak.com/picture.php?albumid=11167&pictureid=90278)


(https://www.helifreak.com/picture.php?albumid=11167&pictureid=90279)
Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Cliff Chmiel on May 28, 2017, 06:53:57 PM
looks ok, took top off, no burnt  smell , caps look good and clean
Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Jason Cummings on May 28, 2017, 08:38:04 PM
My Ikon was also new. It was replaced under warranty.
Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Cliff Chmiel on May 28, 2017, 09:58:44 PM
ok , I will replace esc, if that don't do it I wiil switch out the ikon.
Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Cullen Colapietro on May 28, 2017, 11:28:58 PM
Check all bullet connectors. If there's a cold solder joint from the factory it could have overheated at the higher throttle setting. Will the motor/esc initialize on the bench? If so, does the motor run or just stutter?

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Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Cliff Chmiel on May 29, 2017, 12:19:48 AM
Checked all bullet connecters all good. When I solder I use small torch, pool the solder in connect, insert wire, solder soaks all around, you cannot ever pull them a part, or twist them off you will rip the wire apart before it come out. Also bullet connecter is in a block of wood so it takes time cool. If you cool to fast weakens the joint.
Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Cullen Colapietro on May 29, 2017, 12:27:33 AM
Sounds like you know how to solder ;) sometimes factory connections are bad.

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Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Cliff Chmiel on May 29, 2017, 12:44:32 AM
Castle setup(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170529/4132aa29844de5308fadbd83904c26da.jpg)

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Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Cliff Chmiel on May 29, 2017, 12:45:14 AM
See any I missed or screwed up

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Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Cliff Chmiel on May 29, 2017, 12:57:04 AM
Sounds like you know how to solder ;) sometimes factory connections are bad.

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only had 40 + years of practice. your right I will open esc again
Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Cliff Chmiel on May 29, 2017, 01:09:29 AM
Inside esc (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170529/3225a5347e2efd79d4e63d34309cbd38.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170529/d90e170e6a66e5c6bc65cf97bb1d5825.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170529/99a8a09e42c4563c4ace44983de9eee6.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170529/473eb5e2e68323b5d6002d1284dd98ab.jpg)

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Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: curmudgeon on May 29, 2017, 05:52:42 AM
The settings on the PDF look good.  Nothing on the settings to explain the shutdown.  I would enable the "Automatic Data Reset" for Logging.  Is it possible that the Logging memory is full to explain why there were no logs?  I don't see anything grossly wrong inside the ESC.  Not sure where to go from there.
Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Richard Rollins on May 29, 2017, 08:16:42 AM
Any updates? I think you should send that ESC in to Castle ??

Rick
Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Cliff Chmiel on May 29, 2017, 10:33:31 AM
I'm  in my esc all the time on a new ship after about 50 flights , then is set to automatic data reset, then may be every few weeks. Logging in esc said only 17% used. But you right I will set new esc that way, should be here on Wednesday, still have to wait on parts.

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Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Cliff Chmiel on May 29, 2017, 10:35:17 AM
Any updates? I think you should send that ESC in to Castle ??

Rick
As soon as I can the esc goes back to castle.

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Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Cliff Chmiel on May 29, 2017, 10:45:44 AM
I was just thinking I did update the firmware on the esc.



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Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Richard Rollins on May 29, 2017, 05:06:16 PM
I literally have never had any issues like this with my Castle ESCs.
Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Cliff Chmiel on May 29, 2017, 07:16:18 PM
 first time for me
Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Cliff Chmiel on June 04, 2017, 09:50:21 PM
Today I remaiden the ship with a new esc 160, Flys fantastic, no problems at all, hard pull outs no sag motor super smooth. This thing a monster, Now have 3 synergys. Now have to get the new 516. Old esc will be sent back to cc this week. Cliff
Title: Re: esc shut down
Post by: Cliff Chmiel on June 06, 2017, 02:18:09 PM
Thanks for all the help guys, she's a MONSTER

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