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Synergy Electric Helicopters => Synergy E5 => Topic started by: SSerrand on May 10, 2012, 10:28:31 AM
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What would be the best motor for high performance? This will be my first electric so I am not quite sure what I will need.
Thanks
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Steve,
Scorpion motor, around 1100KV I believe.. castle 100 esc, WR Bec. Running 6S, ;) I'm sure there will be a few winning combinations the guys will come up with!!! this is a ball park guess. :D
Kevin
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+1 for Kevin EPIC Feil.... He may not be able to get directions right, but he knows helis! ;)
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Lol that funny
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Uh for the Record, There are Two Fields within 45 min apart named CCRC?? I made it on time and so did Matt, What is your excuse???? ::) It was a simple mistake (one simple 2 hour 45 min mistake) :-[ They don't call me Magellan for my sense of direction!! ;) By the way Steve Are we Driving or flying to Ircha??? ;D
And Orlando was Alanzo's Fault!!! Two Hours we were lost and we were less than 5 minutes away.... I think Tommy W had a hand in that as well.. ;)
Kevin
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Thanks Kevin hopefully electrics are just as easy to figure out as nitros :)
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Simple!!! ;) so easy a caveman could do it.
Kevin
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That would be a good idea. Make an insurance company for helis probably be expensive tho
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Kevin, you've somehow managed to use almost every smiley face available in one single post...... Congratulations! I'm telling Matt to disable the smiley face function for your account..... I think this will be more disappointing to you than getting pinked. Lol!
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Nice, I'm gonna get him to make one of you!!!! heres one for ya, :-X lol I'll keep them down to one per post..
Kevin
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It's past your bed time Kevin..... Go to sleep, I'm gonns go get my thumbs green and propagate a tomato plant.....
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Instead of Propagating a tomato Plant, Figure out what a xylem cell is and what is it's function in the propagation of plants?? I have to build the Head up on a Hughes 500D in the morning, Wanna help??? Have to install Tail as well. After you figure out the xylem cell thing first. lol
Kevin
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I will help as long as I get to fly it, although last time I flew out of KFFC my airplane broke down so I am 0 for 1 at that airport. Lol
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"A xylem cell is a cell which is responsible for providing support to a plant. Xylem cells also make up the vascular system of plants, conducting water throughout the plant and providing circulation. These cells can be both alive and dead, and there are several different types of xylem cell which can be found within the parts of a plant known collectively as “xylem.” People who are interested can look at xylem cells under a microscope or in a biology textbook to see these cells in detail."
There, now let me have at that Hughes 500D!!!
Sorry we hacked your post Stephen....
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Your a Nerd Steve, ;) Very impressive though!!lol You won't be flying a Piston Popper either, Turbin Baby!!! Those candles don't just blow out..
Kevin
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On my past 550's I used the Neu 1907h/1y 1400Kv and Castle Creations Phoenix ICE 100A ESC on 6s 5000mAh. I used the CC GOV at 2650 RPM ... They where a BEAST! I have this setup on the work bench ready to go in the E5 ASAP!
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Uh for the Record, There are Two Fields within 45 min apart named CCRC?? I made it on time and so did Matt, What is your excuse???? ::) It was a simple mistake (one simple 2 hour 45 min mistake) :-[ They don't call me Magellan for my sense of direction!! ;) By the way Steve Are we Driving or flying to Ircha??? ;D
And Orlando was Alanzo's Fault!!! Two Hours we were lost and we were less than 5 minutes away.... I think Tommy W had a hand in that as well.. ;)
Kevin
No that was all Alanzo we were just up there for the mini blowout and he gave someone else the wrong directions also!!!
No wonder fedex is late getting there packages out :o :o
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I'm just Playing, Hell Tommy if it wasn't for you we would still be driving and I would of stuffed Alanzo in the Trunk! lol ;)
Kevin
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Alanzo was just trying to get some alone time with you
Lol
Tommy
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Nice!! lol ;) That Florida Sun Messes with Him. lol
Kevin
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Any way to squeeze a 4135-530 into this?
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The beauty of the E5 is options!
550 class
4025-1100kv on 6S 4400-5000 (tested)
4025-890
4025-730
4025-650kv on 12S 2700-3300 (tested)
4025-550
600 class
4025 or 4035
4035-630kv on 10s 3850 (tested)
4035-560kv on 12s 2700-3300 (in progress)
Thanks,
Matt
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I found this video on Youtube. I've two 6cell 5000 mAh packs and I wish to get that setup going after watching this video!!
Synergy E5 - Blowing Trees (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AApXbcunOsU#ws)
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Still hesitating between HK4025-1100 and same HKIII.
There is only 54 $US but is there so much technical difference ? Heat ? Power ?
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Still hesitating between HK4025-1100 and same HKIII.
There is only 54 $US but is there so much technical difference ? Heat ? Power ?
I went with the HKIII, but mainly for the shaft. The E5 has a bearing block on the far side of the pinion. The HKII has a shorter shaft, but they offer a longer shaft for the HKII. The HKIII comes with the longer shaft and a few other improvements. If you get an HKII and the longer shaft, you will have close to the price of an HKIII, but you will still have to press the long shaft in the motor.
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I have changed my original plan of Pyro 600-11 and purchased an HKIII 4025 kit which will hand wound.
Going with same Kv of ~1100 but in 1.5 or 1.6mm in YY termination.
This way I'll end up with a one off 4025LE. Going to be running 60C packs to feed this little monster.
I will run the P600 to start as it sounds E5 will be here before motor will.
Might be looking to sell the Pyro if anyone is interested. Peaked5500 Watt on my Logo 500 so it's no slouch.
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I have seen people mention the "hand wound" thing before. Could someone explain this to me?
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There are many factors in making power and torq with an electric motor. One of the key components is the wire that is wound throughout the motor. You can change copper thickness and winding pattern and change the output and kv of a motor. When someone says they have a hand mound motor that is just that. They have had the motor remount by hand to a custom configuration.
Generally if the person doing the winding knows what they are doing, you can increase both torq and cooling of the windings at the same time.
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Chris summed it up pretty well.
Advantage to a hand wind is to get wire diameters and terminations that cannot be automated by machine.
Most stock winds will be with multi strand thin wire which has higher resistance than a solid larger diameter but easy to do be machine and reduce production cost. Most are also terminated in Delta configuration. This is also easier to automate unlike a more efficient Y or YY winds.
Lot's of potential with a hand wind for more power, better cooling and higher efficiency as well as being easier on your ESC.
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Thanks for the info! So how would I request to have it hand wound?
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Thanks for the info! So how would I request to have it hand wound?
You'd have to do it yourself or find someone to do it.
There are a few members on HeliFreak that do it. It will cost you around $150 on top of your motor/kit.
If you are interested PM me on HF, same user name and I'll give the guy's I know of who do the work.
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Near as I can tell, with motors that are currently available to buy this week, you only have two choices for a 6s 550 blade ship
Scorpion HKIII-4025-1100
KDE's 600XF-1175
Are there any other choices that will work on 6s with the available gearing range? Other than the Align 550 motor... ::)
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Great, I have the same handle on HF also.
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Also available is Knotronik Pyro 600-11 and Xera 4020.
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Also available is Knotronik Pyro 600-11 and Xera 4020.
The Xera is not available right now. I know someone said they were going to offer that in 6mm shaft but even the 5mm shaft version says 'notify me' on the Xera web site. Didn't find the Kontronic in stock anywhere either and it would require a long shaft version or shaft retrofit kit also.
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Scorpion HK 4025-1100 6mm long shaft is still available in some store with good price.
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Anyone thinking about running the Quantum motor?
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Quantum model are only for 12s regarding kv available.
But for 12s til 600 model, 4125-560kv seems to be a trusty budget route.... 99usd at helidirect.
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Guess I will stick with Scorpion because I'm only going to run a 6S setup. This will be my first heli larger than 450 so I will need to adjust.
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Have the HK4020-1100 coming in. Hopefully there isn't too much of a difference between this and the HKIII
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Have the HK4020-1100 coming in. Hopefully there isn't too much of a difference between this and the HKIII
Unfortunately, the 4020 series motor will not work because it has a 5mm shaft. You need to stick with the 4025 series motor which has a 6mm shaft.
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Sorry, I meant to say 4025
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but the HKIII 4025-1100KV motor ships with a short shaft. The shaft will work with E5 but, just. Also, there is no flat spot ground on the shaft to secure the pinion you have to grind it yourself. I accomplished this using a Dremel tool and a sanding sleeve.
Rich
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Glad I ordered the regular HK
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Gents.... Do you need to use the 3rd bearing block? I have two pyro's that could work but the shaft is not long enough. Flying: Mild to hard 3D and some big air moves that really seem to tax the lipo's.
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I just noticed there is not a 3rd bearing block... so it looks like the scorpion is the only motor that will work.
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Helifinance,
By 3rd bearing block, I assume you are talking about the pinion support bearing block. If you are, then yes, it is absolutely necessary to utilize the pinion support. If you don't, you risk wiping out the motor bearings very prematurely.
Hope this helps.
James
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Not sure what you mean about third bearing block. As James said there is a pinion support block of the same design as the E7 and it works great. Make sure that the pinion rests all the way down on top of the bearing before tightening it up using the set screws.
Rich
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Rich/James, I was referring to the pinion support bearing and your points well noted. I ordered a scorpion... but really wanted to use one of the pyro's I had laying around.
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I've got it now .... sometimes I'm a little slow. ;D Two internal motor bearings, one external bearing and the block. Geez how did I miss that?
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I have the Xera 1000kv motor on the way. I will let you guys know how it fits and works when I get everything together!
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Ryan, I have an Xera 1000kv and its a 5mm shaft so unless the scorpion shaft will work as a replacement I think the motor can not be used in this application.
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Hello, we will see. The listings now show them with a 6mm output shaft.
The old blue & black 1000kv motors had the 5mm shaft, but I believe the new all black motors (now that Tony has the business) have been revised.
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Ryan... If yours comes with a 6mm please post as I would love to run that motor... crazy power! Thanks for the info.
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Just got a confirmation from Tony and yes, it is 6mm!!! Whawhoo!
This is the new website (still under construction)... http://x-era-motors.vpweb.com/Xera-Motors.html (ftp://x-era-motors.vpweb.com/Xera-Motors.html)
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Ryan is true ! New specs :
"The 4020/2y-1000 will work in 500-620 size helicopters for hard 3d flying on 6s. This is an excellent motor for the Trex 600 or Logo500/600. The Trex will need modified frames for clearance. Peak efficiency occurs at ~85A on 6s. Parameter Value Units Kv 1000 Rpm/V Kt 0.0095 Nm/A Km 0.1042 Nm/√w Rm 0.0084 Ω Io(10v) 1.9 A Io(20v) 3.0 A Pole Count 8 Winding 2y Weight 348 g Length (no shaft) 50.75mm Diameter 49.5 mm Shaft Length 36mm , shaft size , 6mm Mounting Screw 3x0.5 mm Mounting Hole distance 25 mm"
No price posted, can you tell us how muuch is this 4020-1000kv ?
Edit : new WS is here : http://www.xera-motors.com/Xera-Motors.html (http://www.xera-motors.com/Xera-Motors.html)
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Ryan, Did you order it off of the main site and if not from where??? Many thanks.