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Synergy Nitro Helicopters => Synergy N5 / N5c => Topic started by: Chris Sexton on October 05, 2012, 03:22:53 PM
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and what heli did I choose for my first ever Nitro? N5c of course!
I found a deal on a pre-owned unit I could not pass up. Helped a friend out and that makes it better.
Here is what I have coming. I would appreciate any input and advice on setup.
Synergy N5c kit
Rail 606 mains
Rail 96 tails
OS55 HZ-R motor (brand new)
Hatori SAB-55 exhaust
Futaba BLS252 cyclic servos
Futaba BLS257 on the throttle
Futaba BLS251 on the tail
Scott Grey X2 Regulator
Push Glow
Hyperion 2s 2200mah 35c battery
Full Size Silver VBar w 5.3 Pro
Vbar Gov - need help on best sensor to use. Heli has futaba fan magnet setup now
Still looking into starters and fuel pumps. I have a friend who owns Extreme Hobbies here in town, I will probably go to him for those, but input on make and model would be nice. Brandon tells me the Align starter is rough on the system.
Leaning toward Cool Power 30% Heli MIx because that is what I can get local easy.
I have already warned Brandon I will undoubtedly need help with the first motor setup and tuning. He is a great friend in this hobby, glad he is so close to home.
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I've got your back whenever you need some help brother. Just FYI, you should pick up some more receiver packs. The 2200 pack (as long as it's a good battery) will yield you 2 flights per charge safely.
Dave recently picked up a Glacier pack and I think I will make some of those as my next purchase for receiver packs as well.
Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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I have several Rx packs from my electrics. But question. On my 700s i am averaging 200mAh draw per flight. Why would a nitro pull so much more? Getting 6 flights easy on my 2550 pulse rx packs.
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You should get 4-5 flights out of that 2200 pack
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Maybe it's the packs I'm using then but after two flights I am down to about 7.8 or 7.9 volts total and I don't want to push it further than that. Not sure if the PushGlo sucks a bunch out or what.
Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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Nice setup.
Mine will be similar as I am just changing servos to bls-451's and silver line vbar.
I use a 2200 life pack and get 4 flights easy with a switchglo. I use a step down for the tail servo.
For a starter I use an align it works fine just a little ratchety. I also have a dynatron but it is way too fast on 6s, it engages the clutch. Need to try 4s or 5s.
Fuel pump I use a hanger nine manual attached to a tool bag I got from Lowes that fits a gallon of fuel and has a rubber bottom.
I also use the os 55 hzr with Hatori pipe. It runs great even with my crappy tuning skills.
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Nice setup you have got yourself there, i run the BLS451's in mine and i find them quite efficient so i can comfortably get 3 flights on that size of Rx pack but to be on the safe side i would start at 2 flights and check how much you are putting back into the pack.
I have a Dynatron which has served me well for a number of years, i run it wirelessly with two 9.6v Nimh packs and it will start pretty much anything. It is an awesome starter and well worth it.
Fuel pump, i use the M4 setup from Slimline Products, comes with a CNC bottle cap and fuel pump mounted to the cap. Makes a nice and clean fueling setup.
Hope this helps and if you need any help just give us a shout! :-)
Cheers
Ross
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Congrats Chris!
I use 2100mah Lipos with a Gryphone regulator. I get a solid 4 flights per pack with switchglo on board.
Excited for you Bro.... I am having blast with my N5C. I went through a gallon of fuel since Last Saturday.
Everyone including myself uses Curtis Youngblood Wildcat 30%.
Cheers,
Alan
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I don't use a voltage to check my packs. With life or lipo packs it is about the mha you use. How much are you putting in the packs after 2 flights?
With my bls 451 and the futaba 750 I get 3-4 flights out of my 90 size heli. And that is with a 2100 life pack.
I get 5 on my N5C with the bls 255 and the futaba 750 with a 2500 lipo pack.
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Thanks for all the input guys I really appreciate it. My only question about the set up are the cyclic servos. I've never used the 252's. Will they be enough? I'm a sport flier getting a little into mild really mild 3-D will they be enough for me?
I love the 251 so I'm not worried about that one. For throttle that servo looks good.
I can't get wildcat fuel locally. I always heard you should run one fuel only once you break in a motor. Is that not true?
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The fuel question, not so much, you can run any fuel you like, they just run a little different and you may have to adjust your needle for the different fuel, but that's it. The thing is, is that once you get a fuel you like, you just usually get that type the next time. But that doesn't mean you have to. But if you change a lot, and you have a bearing failure or something goes wrong, you can't really blame the fuel, because you won't know which one did it!
You'll love the N5c, its a great heli! I have 2!!!
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Making one change to my planned setup. Going to throw an MSH Brain on this guy. Supposed to be completely vib insensitive and has a nitro gov for $100 less than silver vbar. Getting great reviews. Thought i would see how it does.
Oh and I was wrong. Wild cat fuel is available locally. So will go that way since it comes so highly recommended.
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If you are new to nitro you should try different fuels. Some fuels work better with different motors. I have run most of them and they all do the same thing, but you will find small differences between them. This is where you as a consumer gets to make a choice based on what you like.
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If you are new to nitro you should try different fuels. Some fuels work better with different motors. I have run most of them and they all do the same thing, but you will find small differences between them. This is where you as a consumer gets to make a choice based on what you like.
I appreciate the tip. Any brand that I should avoid? Everything has at least one company that is "bargain basement"
Brain is ordered. ReadyHeli.com selling them for 200 shipped. Hard to say no!
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I have the same engine in mine with a pb2 pipe and I have been using rotor rage 30% with no issues.
Your going to love that heli. I'm running torqs on mine and on a 3600mAh pack I get 5 to 6 flights before needing to switch.
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OK So I just found out the CGY RPM sensor I thought was coming with my kit, was not included after all. I need to order a sensor. The Align sensor would be cool as it is a direct fit no adapter needed for the brain. Will the align sensor mount to the N5c frame? I am sorry if this is a stupid question, my first nitro and all.
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I have an align sensor at home. I'll ckeck it this evening if no one else chimes in.
Alan
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Looks like the Align sensor should fit the bracket just fine.
Alan
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I have an align sensor I was given but I was also recommended a spektrum back plate sensor. I guess we shall see how the back plate sensor does first.
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Ok USPS is beginning to wear on me. The tracking on my N5c hasn't updated in 4 days and they can't tell me anything. They won't even open a ticket until its 30days past the expected delivery date which was this past Monday;(
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That sucks. I've always been lucky enough to have good results with USPS tracking and delivery. Only one time did it say it arrived at a sort facility in Columbus but was delivered and never updated to being out for delivery. Hope you get it soon!
Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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Finally updated tracking, its out for delivery today. Good timing too, my business trip for all next was cancelled last minute, now I can rebuild and be ready to test and tune next weekend . 8)
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:) :) :)
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Alright, well it's hear and in great shape! I am so glad you can trust some people to advertise things as they really are.
Only thing I have found out of place is the main shaft has a minor bend, but he included a new shaft, so I am good.
So far I have torn it down to basically a bare frame. I took the belcranks and shafts off. Checked the bearings, one ways, and clutch liner.
The motor and clutch are brand new. Tomorrow I will begin prepping the motor and mounting it. As expected, the quality of the parts is great and this heli is in great shape. If I didn't know better I would think it was new. I hope I can keep it looking that way :o
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Nice! Glad you got it and all is well. Let us know how the maiden goes as I'm sure you'll have it up sooner than later. Although the weather around here has been sucking.
Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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Nice! Glad you got it and all is well. Let us know how the maiden goes as I'm sure you'll have it up sooner than later. Although the weather around here has been sucking.
Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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Oh you will know first hand how the maiden goes. I need some help setting up the nitro engine ;)
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Hah sounds good!
Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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Ok I have a question and a possible problem.
My brand new OS 55HZ-R has a strange "hole" in the back plate presumably for the backplate sensor.
Trouble I have is the spektrum backplate sensor doesn't fit. It's not round and is too wide.
Do I have to use a Futaba backplate sensor with this motor?
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Another note. My MSH Brain is DOA from the factory. Won't bind or update firmware. I looked around the MSH forums and this isn't a new issue. Thinking of going back to my Vbar plan after reading some of the problems on the forums.
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Man that sucks. I'd slap the Vbar on there for now and work on getting a refund or replacement unit from MSH so you're not out of one or the other.
As far as the backplate goes it does fit the Futaba backplate sensor perfectly. What's weird is mine doesn't have that bracket so I got all excited to install the sensor on mine and found I couldn't do it. It's the 55 hyper but the non-regulated version. I thought all 55's had the bracket. I believe you'd have to either get a different backplate or go with the Futaba sensor as mounting the Spektrum sensor on the higher side wouldn't be close enough to the con-rod if I had to guess.
Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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Just going to go back to using the Align magnetic sensor I already had. Going to see if I can give me their refund or credit for this backplate sensor.
As for the brain going to contact ready heli today. I already have the VBar so that won't slow me down.
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Interesting side note, ReadyHeli.com has stopped selling the MSH Brain. He wouldn't say why, but it's interesting timing. They are giving me store credit which I will put toward another VBar for my E5 since I am taking the one I already had for it to put on my N5c now.
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Hmm that is interesting. At least you can get something else in its place.
Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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The Spektrum back plate sensor will fit, you have to put it long ways, it goes beside the nipple and the hole for the Futaba bps sensor and works perfect. :)
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The Spektrum back plate sensor will fit, you have to put it long ways, it goes beside the nipple and the hole for the Futaba bps sensor and works perfect. :)
You have a picture?
Honestly though, I already have an align magnetic sensor. I don't seem to have the synergy sensor mount, but it's 5 bucks, I ordered one.
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Chris, I couldn't believe when I saw you with your new N5c, very cool! I think you will love it, can't wait to hear your maiden flight report :D ;D ;D
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Chris, I couldn't believe when I saw you with your new N5c, very cool! I think you will love it, can't wait to hear your maiden flight report :D ;D ;D
It's still mid assembly on my bench. But if all goes to plan, I will be maidening on Saturday.
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AWESOME!
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Ok. Engine is mounted. Should get the rest of the airframe together tonight.
Just need to make some time to get together with Brandon to walk me through the initial tune and gov setup.
This is a great kit. Like my E7s, the build is a lot of fun!
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:)
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Looks good, I'll be curious to hear how you get on with the "Brain"....
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Looks good, I'll be curious to hear how you get on with the "Brain"....
Sent the Brain back today. Was DOA from the factory. ReadyHeli.com isn't selling them anymore so I got store credit towards a Vbar.
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Looking good Chris!
Alan
Alan Butler
Team Synergy
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OK well I have a new problem. The tail control rod linkage won't go on. It hits the Regulator on the carb...
Anyone else have a OS 55HZ-R on theirs that can give me some advice?
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Yes it always comes very close. One of the ways you can deal with it is to twist the carb just slightly so that you can get the rod below the needle.
Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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I love it when it's something simple.
My main bearing didn't come today so i am holding off in electronics setup. But that is basically all that is left.
Tail is built and test fitted. Left it off while dealing with the head. Easier to maneuver around my work bench that way.
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Couldn't resist. Put the tail on to pose her for a picture.
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Looking good. Almost there!
Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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OK well I have a new problem. The tail control rod linkage won't go on. It hits the Regulator on the carb...
Anyone else have a OS 55HZ-R on theirs that can give me some advice?
Look on page A43 of the manual. The note on the side there says to put the outside pivot ball on top of the Offset Bell Crank instead of the bottom when using an OS55HZ motor . Did that on mine and the rod fits on just fine.
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OK well I have a new problem. The tail control rod linkage won't go on. It hits the Regulator on the carb...
Anyone else have a OS 55HZ-R on theirs that can give me some advice?
Look on page A43 of the manual. The note on the side there says to put the outside pivot ball on top of the Offset Bell Crank instead of the bottom when using an OS55HZ motor . Did that on mine and the rod fits on just fine.
Already did that :) It was still touching, but rotating the Carb about 3 degrees fixed it right up :)
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Ok so help me understand something. Ordered the last couple things I needed from ExperienceRC on Saturday. They promptly ship on Monday. I have tracking info by noon.
Here is where things get funny. I live in Columbus Ohio. ExperienceRC is in Michigan. I didn't bother checking the tracking because things always come in two days by priority mail. When the stuff didn't come in yesterday, i checked the tracking this morning. Shows it left Michigan on monday night. Nothing scanned Tuesday. Wednesday afternoon it is scanned in at the Huntington Alabama sorting facility??? As of now it shows it left Alabama at 6pm last night and nothing new.
Can someone explain to me why a package from Michigan bound for Ohio would go to a routing facility in Alabama??
No wonder the postal service can't make money.....
Vent off.
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It might have come from Synergy direct, if Experiance did not have the part. It is odd that Experience RC would not have it.
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Here it is. Electronics and head setup complete.
Still awaiting a shipment from ExperienceRc to complete gov setup and gaskets to mount the pipe.
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Looks good! Just wait on that darn order and you'll be good.
Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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You just can't make this kind of stuff up...
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Man that's crazy. I have never ever had a bad experience with the postal service but I can fully see why you'd be upset. That's ridiculous.
Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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At the end of the day, it came. Priority mail is 2-5 days, so technically they made it. Just an odd route for sure!
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Looks real good Chris, I would recommend tossing a header tank on it as well for extra insurance but not needed. The quick UK tank and mounting equipment is what I used, looks really clean. Just make sure if you do get a header tank to remove any flashing where the fuel tubing connects.
Also, please tell me you used new fuel line for your clunk line and not what came with the kit. I used new line everywhere but the clunk line and 7 flights in the fuel tubing in the tank split. Thankfully I saw my header tank draining before the main and was new something was up. Motor cut out right as I saw it and a baby auto saved the heli.
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Yep new line everywhere. Looked at the mavrrik header tank. My LHS has then in stock. Might do that.
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Have you considered just using a a Fuel Magnet and no header tank? I have good luck with that setup. Simpler than using a header tank and fewer places that can develop a leak. Most of the folks I fly with regularly have ditched the header tank. Just a thought...
Cheers
Alan
Alan Butler
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Well the heli is done. Governor is programmed. All that is left to do is to fire it up. Hopefully the weather will give me a break. With the hurricane pushing and a lot of weather headed our way. Might be next weekend.
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Well congrats! Now that break in procedure for the new motor will just be causing you to itch to get it going. I have been know to idle a tank or two in my garage when weather won't let you fly. =P
Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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Tomorrows finally the day :) Everything is setup, I think i have bench tested the RPM sensor 100 times.
Going to finally get to start up and idle the motor.
Thanks for the help guys!
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Good luck Chris. Up won't need luck though. You setup should be pretty bullet proof!
Cheers
Alan
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Agreed. Let us know how it goes for sure.
Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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Three tanks in now. 1 idle, 1 hover, and 1 mostly hover and some slow circuits. Nothing loading the head at all.
Runs great and flies so smooth!
A couple more break in flights and I will start leaning it out just a touch. It's not overly rich right now.
Thanks for all of the information and encouragement!
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Wonderful! Glad it's going well for you.
Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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Just got back from another round at the fairgrounds. Wife must have needed some alone time because she actually asked me if I wanted to go back out before dark!
Total of 8 tanks and 3 recharged rx packs. Running well. Going to lean it out a bit tomorrow. It seems to have power but bog hard when it comes off idle and bail out stalls it.
Don't know why I avoided nitro for so long, I am liking it thus far!
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Just got back from another round at the fairgrounds. Wife must have needed some alone time because she actually asked me if I wanted to go back out before dark!
Total of 8 tanks and 3 recharged rx packs. Running well. Going to lean it out a bit tomorrow. It seems to have power but bog hard when it comes off idle and bail out stalls it.
Don't know why I avoided nitro for so long, I am liking it thus far!
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I'd say it's time to start leaning that bad boy out and making it sing!
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Hmm 8 tanks was a typo, at 6, but either way todays flights are to lean it a touch and see how it does!
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Good luck Chris! I know the leaning out part can be almost nerve racking for those of us not fluent in Nitro :-)
Cheers
Alan
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I'm lucky in that regard, I fly with Will and he can tune an engine like nobody's business. I call him the engine whisperer...I mean, he made a nova Rossi sing...and stay running :)
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Will Campbell? Yes you are very fortunate. I'd travel to TX to have him bless my engine :-)
Say hi for me.
Cheers
Alan
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Will Campbell? Yes you are very fortunate. I'd travel to TX to have him bless my engine :-)
Say hi for me.
Cheers
Alan
Yes Mr. Campbell, he turned me on to Synergy and nitro in general. He does a great job exorcising the gremlins out of motors lol.