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Offline Greg Jackson

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Caste Creations File
« on: January 05, 2013, 10:32:32 AM »
I'm about to program my CC120 but am not finding a file much like they have for Align and on this forum with the Hacker motor.   Maybe there should this thread can contain information for first time programmers because different motors and gearing will have different answers in the software.  I think most of the info I will know, but the pole count and a couple of other things I have no idea about.  Hopefully Google will be my friend and I'll find those answers.  So, hopefully some of our resident experts can input their settings to help the future Synergy family members. 
I may not have all the answers, but I'm the guy that can come up with questions that may help! lol
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Re: Caste Creations File
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2013, 03:31:12 PM »
Look up your motor on the Scorpion web site, you will find the pole information located at the bottom of the page in the specs section.  Below are the specs for the Scorpion HKIII 4025 1100KV.  I realize that you are not running this motor.  This is just an example of the information.

Scorpion HKIII 4025 1100KV Motor specifications

Specifications
Stator Diameter    40 mm(1.57 in)
Stator Thickness    25 mm(0.98 in)
No. of Stator Arms    12
Magnet Poles    10
Motor Wind    3T/3T Delta
Motor Wire    27-Strand 0.29mm
Motor Kv    1100KV RPM/Volt
No-Load Current (IO/10v)    3.19 Amps
Motor Resistance (RM)    0.008 Ohms
Max Continuous Current    100 Amps
Max Continuous Power    2200 Watts
Weight    354 Grams (10.79 oz)
Outside Diameter    49.98 mm (1.97 in)
Shaft Diameter    5.98 mm (0.24 in)
Body Length    51.8 mm (2.04 in)
Overall Shaft Length    83.7 mm (3.30 in)
Max Lipo Cell    6s
Peak Current    130 Amps (5 seconds)
Peak Continuous Power    2750 Watts (5 seconds)
Motor Timing    5deg
Drive Frequency    8kHz
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Re: Caste Creations File
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2013, 04:26:53 PM »
Gotcha, but I needed the info of what to put into the programming.  I'm looking up info now, thanks!  I'll probably have to leave for the gig before I can finish.  Took forever to figure out how to program the bec pro.  Still learning but at least I have that done.  Put it at 6.9 right?
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Re: Caste Creations File
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2013, 04:29:39 PM »
You should be running your BEC at 7.4V as all of your servos are HV if I remember correctly.

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Re: Caste Creations File
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2013, 05:27:34 PM »
You should be running your BEC at 7.2V as all of your servos are HV if I remember correctly.

Rich

HV servos are rated at 7.4V and you would see some loss in the line so I'm not sure why 7.2V.  A fully charged 2S lipo is 8.4V so HV servos can actually handle that too.  Then you have this:  http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=345971

So, to me you should be at 7.5V (which is much better according to the HF thread as it's a .5v increment) or 8V would be fine too.
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Re: Caste Creations File
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2013, 07:32:43 PM »
You should be running your BEC at 7.2V as all of your servos are HV if I remember correctly.

Rich

HV servos are rated at 7.4V and you would see some loss in the line so I'm not sure why 7.2V.  A fully charged 2S lipo is 8.4V so HV servos can actually handle that too.  Then you have this:  http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=345971

So, to me you should be at 7.5V (which is much better according to the HF thread as it's a .5v increment) or 8V would be fine too.

Chumley is correct I apologize.  I will correct my post.  I was trying to do too many things at once.  Good catch Chumley!

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Re: Caste Creations File
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2013, 08:48:52 PM »
Ok I will change that. Haven't hooked up servos yet.  So I need to reprogram the bec to 7.4 or 7.5 then.
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Caste Creations File
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2013, 09:01:37 PM »
What I have gathered is you set the BEC V to what the servos are going to run. 6 or 7.4. I did notice on www.Helifleet.com that Matt was running his E7 at 6v (when it was posted that is). Great site by the way! I'm thinking of 6 or 7.4 I guess it will depend on how it feels once I get it in the air (servo to fast or slow)


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Re: Caste Creations File
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2013, 02:08:08 PM »
I just set it to 7.5v on the bec pro.  Loaded the settings sent to me from wbfines, thanks man!  I could only govern at 2200 because of the calculation given.  I will try it at that for now but would like to increase it to 2400-2500 eventually.  I could have sworn Matt said in one of the videos with the same setup other than I'm running vbar that he was running 2500 head speed.  How can I do that?  Hopefully I can just get it in the air by Tuesday. 
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2013, 08:50:25 PM »
What settings? Can you send to me I'd like to take a look as I'll be running the CC 120 and running gov mode as well. I would imagine you would need to change the pinion to a higher tooth count to get a higher head speed.


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Re: Caste Creations File
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2013, 01:34:13 AM »
What settings? Can you send to me I'd like to take a look as I'll be running the CC 120 and running gov mode as well. I would imagine you would need to change the pinion to a higher tooth count to get a higher head speed.


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You can run the 14 tooth pinion to increase you head speed but, at the cost of shorter flight time times.  As far as the calculations in the CC 120 they are very conservative.  On idle up two (assuming you have normal, idle up 1 and Idle up 2) you should be around 108% on the Castle. I highly suggest you fly the helicopter at head a speed from 2100 - 2300 before moving up to 2500.  The E5 will perform every maneuver in the book at 2300.

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Re: Caste Creations File
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2013, 10:50:52 AM »
NY, pm me your email so I can send it to you.  Fines, is that ok with you?
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Re: Caste Creations File
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2013, 10:52:41 AM »
Yeah, that's why I stayed conservative with my headspeed for now and kept it at 2200 and then I will up to 2300 and maybe every few months bump it up when I get very used to it.  Right now it will just be nice to get it in the air before the rain arrives later this week.
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Caste Creations File
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2013, 02:21:09 PM »
NY, pm me your email so I can send it to you.  Fines, is that ok with you?

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Re: Caste Creations File
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2013, 09:15:54 PM »
Thank you so much for sending it to me, really helped a ton!
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