Thinking about a Synergy

[copenhagen]

Hello, you may have seen I have been investigating this on some of the other forums.  I fly by myself because I don't know anyone around here who flies Helis.

I have a Nano CPX, 130X, 300X, and 450X.  I want to get something bigger and better.  I have been looking at the Goblin 500 and the Gaui G5.  How does the Synergy E5 compare?  Will it be good for a first ground up build?  (I have completely rebuilt all my other helis on numerous occasions).  Which electronics, servos, motor, etc., should I start looking at?

[Brandon Bartolomucci]

First of all welcome! Let me say that the E5 is an absolutely awesome creature because you have so many options. You can fly it like a gentle graceful bird or you can smack it around until it cries. It can also grow with you! You can always start out by running it on a single 6S pack for a 550 and if you desire you can end up stretching it to a 600 and run it on 12S for an extremely light weight 600 class.

So I think the first question we need to address before a true answer is given on set up components is what are you looking to run? Do you want to start out with a flat out 6S 550 class bird or do you want to jump straight to a 12S monster set up?

If 6S, common components are:
Scorpion 4025-1100kV motor with a Castle 120HV ESC or other high voltage high amp ESC
Battery packs that are 35C and up with 4400 mAh to around 5000 mAh capacity.
High voltage servos of your choice are your best bet; A very popular combo are Futaba BLS255 on cyclic and BLS256 on the tail. The 255's seem to have been recently discontinued so another option is the 272's or the JR8717HV or JR8917HV combos on cyclic. Other brands to look at are MKS, Outrage, and Hyperion to name a few.

To address a ground up build for your first one: there's no reason you couldn't build an E5. That being said, Synergy model manuals are written typically with the seasoned builder in mind so it is just an extremely wise choice to take your time, read through the manual slowly, and check out the tips and tricks sections for EACH model here on the forums.

As always, we are all here to help out each and every step of the way so if you get to a point that you might be confused, just stop, put everything down, and never hesitate to stop in here and ask a question. The only problems that are typically seen are when someone tries to rush through a build especially in their first Synergy model. Most of the time questions can be answered right here and if you need a little more hands on help many of us have no problem in giving you a call and talking you through it that way. We are also growing every day so if you need direct in person help, being able to attend a fun fly with Synergy Team Members at it will yield great results as well.

Looking forward to your input and we can go from there!


Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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[Rodney Kirstine]

While the manual is geared towards experienced users, the Synergy kits go together very nicely, without having to modify anything. Everything just fits and it makes for a very straightforward build. There are also the build videos that Chris did.

[Brandon Bartolomucci]

Absolutely, the support is here and in full force as long as you take the time to stop and get it if necessary.


Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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[pepe001]

I can only say it was never been easier to get it done.

Even as a newbie i got it together and all my question answered.
I got although some usefull recommendations

Making the switch to an Synergy was a game changer for me.
If i think of how i was doing (flying) about 2 month ago and how it looks now.
Still sometimes a bit rough but thats the pilot

I fly an E6 and ist easy to fly with a huge potential.

Friedhelm

[RichL]

Hello, you may have seen I have been investigating this on some of the other forums.  I fly by myself because I don't know anyone around here who flies Helis.

I have a Nano CPX, 130X, 300X, and 450X.  I want to get something bigger and better.  I have been looking at the Goblin 500 and the Gaui G5.  How does the Synergy E5 compare?  Will it be good for a first ground up build?  (I have completely rebuilt all my other helis on numerous occasions).  Which electronics, servos, motor, etc., should I start looking at?

Copenhagen,  thanks for joining the Synergy forum.  I believe you will find plenty of reasons to put the Synergy E5 at the top of your short list below are a few of my thoughts.

 I posted the first review of the Synergy E5 on December 6, 2012 ( http://synergyrchelicopters.com/forum/index.php?topic=1167.0 ) since that review my E5 has amassed 487 flights.  I have not had to replace a single component nor do I see no significant sign of wear anywhere in the gear train or for that matter anywhere else.  The E5 has a light and agile feel in the air, and as I said in the original review can be configured to fly from mild to wild and everything in between.  As Brandon pointed out the E5 can be stretched to make a very light 600 size heli but, flies and performs beautifully as a 550.  IMHO, the E5 has such a wide flight envelope that you won't get board with it and it will grow with you as your flying skills progress.  The quality and and fit of parts on Synergy helicopters are second to none.  Synergy helicopters are produced in small numbers and I can assure you that no one in the business is more concerned with quality control than Matt Botos.  Last but certainly not least, I don't know of another community of people that are as welcoming and as knowledgeable as the Synergy community.  Someone is always here to help or just answer questions.  If I can be of further assistance please don't hesitate to contact me.

Rich   

[copenhagen]

So I think the first question we need to address before a true answer is given on set up components is what are you looking to run? Do you want to start out with a flat out 6S 550 class bird or do you want to jump straight to a 12S monster set up?

If 6S, common components are:
Scorpion 4025-1100kV motor with a Castle 120HV ESC or other high voltage high amp ESC
Battery packs that are 35C and up with 4400 mAh to around 5000 mAh capacity.
High voltage servos of your choice are your best bet; A very popular combo are Futaba BLS255 on cyclic and BLS256 on the tail. The 255's seem to have been recently discontinued so another option is the 272's or the JR8717HV or JR8917HV combos on cyclic. Other brands to look at are MKS, Outrage, and Hyperion to name a few.

Honestly, I am not sure that I need a 12S- I recently put a 40A YEP ESC  and Wicked 4800kV motor in my 300X-  Let me tell you, the little fellow drills holes in the sky and makes it rain.  It makes my 450X feel like it needs more umph, and I end up cutting the throttle down with the transmitter. 

So, as you can see, I am not sure that I need a rocket ship (I've only been flying since March)- I like the pop, but I am no professional.  I am perfecting my inverted flight.  I have the inverted nose in hover down for a whole battery pack, but I'm still trying to get the inverted tail in hover to last that long, and then of course, start flying upside down circles, and do the tick tock thing.

Is there any reason to get a Castle ESC?  I can get the YEP 120 for a lot less and I already have a YEP programming card.

Synergy helicopters are produced in small numbers and I can assure you that no one in the business is more concerned with quality control than Matt Botos.

What about availability?  I am perfectly capable of drilling my helicopter into the top of a tree at 70mph.  I did this with my 450X a couple weeks ago because I was trying to fly too late in the evening and could not tell which way it was facing..haha..

I have a DX8 and experience with the BeastX.  I also have a Spektrum reciever that came with my DX8 as I fully intended to get a bigger heli when I bought my first Nano..haha..  Is there any reason to change radios or flybarless systems?



FINALLY:

Thank you everyone for all the informative and thought out replies- this plays huge in my thought process here.

[Chris Sexton]

I have a DX8 and experience with the BeastX.  I also have a Spektrum reciever that came with my DX8 as I fully intended to get a bigger heli when I bought my first Nano..haha..  Is there any reason to change radios or flybarless systems?



FINALLY:

Thank you everyone for all the informative and thought out replies- this plays huge in my thought process here.

Hello and welcome to the Synergy forums!

I flew with a DX8 for a very long time, if yours isn't experiencing any troubles then fly away! They had some gimbal issues in the beginning that forced a recall, and more recently a less known issue with the vibrator on the timer causing signal failure.  But if you have been flying with yours for a while and it's good, there is no reason to doubt it. You probably have one of the fixed models since it sounds like it is fairly new.

As for BeastX. It is a great platform to start on. Setup is easy and doesn't require a computer to tune. You may find you want to experiment with FBL units later, but nothing wrong with BeastX on a Synergy Helicopter

[flyalan]

Welcome..
The E5 will be a good choice and is very versatile in regards to the hardware needed to get it up in the air.  Lots of choices as outlined.
 
I cannot stress enough though that you do need to spend some time going over the information on this forum as well as reviewing the manual thoroughly.  Above all ask questions if something is unclear.
 
Where are you geographically?  We may have a Rep in your area for hands on assistance :-)
 
Cheers
Alan

[copenhagen]

Welcome..
The E5 will be a good choice and is very versatile in regards to the hardware needed to get it up in the air.  Lots of choices as outlined.
 
I cannot stress enough though that you do need to spend some time going over the information on this forum as well as reviewing the manual thoroughly.  Above all ask questions if something is unclear.
 
Where are you geographically?  We may have a Rep in your area for hands on assistance :-)
 
Cheers
Alan

Pickens County, South Carolina

[RichL]

Copenhagen,  the E5 is available as are plenty of replacement parts, my intent was to make the point that Matt Botos is directly involved with every aspect of his helicopter line.  You won't find the "push it out the door, ready or not" mentality at Synergy helicopters.

You don't need to turn the E5 into a 12S ship in order to get performance! The E5 will perform every maneuver invented at 5S and gracefully at that. The configuration you choose is up to you!  The E5 gives you options and doesn't tie you to a specific configuration or head-speed.

Rich       

[copenhagen]

Since this is my first build, what order should I buy things?  Should I just go ahead and get the E5 and then start collecting parts, or should I wait awhile (is something better right around the corner)?  I had planned to get a larger heli when both my 450 and 300 X's hit 100 flights.  I am at 39 and 65 flights respectively, so give me about another month and I should be ready to whip out my card.

I am tempted just to buy the E5 now, but like I said, not sure if it would be more prudent to wait...

[RichL]

Cope, Might want to check out this sticky if you haven't done so already http://synergyrchelicopters.com/forum/index.php?topic=1195.0.  PM sent.



Rich

[flyalan]

Since this is my first build, what order should I buy things?  Should I just go ahead and get the E5 and then start collecting parts, or should I wait awhile (is something better right around the corner)?  I had planned to get a larger heli when both my 450 and 300 X's hit 100 flights.  I am at 39 and 65 flights respectively, so give me about another month and I should be ready to whip out my card.

I am tempted just to buy the E5 now, but like I said, not sure if it would be more prudent to wait...

Rich's tool's and supplies list is very complete.  I am sure you have many of these if you have done any wrenching before.  The Botosizer and Link Tool from FBL rotors are almost a must.  As well as a good set of T-Handle hex wrenches.  Go for the Redneck Green Grippy if you can find one.  That is an inside joke for Rich


As far as waiting for a better option??  From Synergy I don't see that happening any time soon unless you are into Nitro    You cannot go wrong with the E5 regardless of the configuration you choose.


Cheers
Alan

[copenhagen]

Pretty much the only stuff I don't have on there is the green grippy and the synergy ball link pliers (are they really necessary?).

How many hours will it take me to build this kit?

One more question- where are Synergy helicopters made?  It sure would be refreshing to hear the USA.