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Offline rimaarts

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Synergy N5C Flybarless Belt Drive Kit for a first nitro?
« on: October 18, 2013, 03:21:05 PM »
so... my friend has all the time been bugging me to get a nitro helicopter (longer flight times, only one battery to charge, etc, etc)... today i noticed, i could get quite nice deal on synergy n5c flybarless belt kit...

and that it would take up to 62mm blades stock (why its still called n5, not n6??)

a) what is general concensus about this model? (i have read quite a bit about electric helis and still want e5, but i have 0 expirience or research done about nitro models)

b) all this talk about torque tube 'upgrade'... why? is it just some people like belt, some TT and usual belt vs TT pros and cons or is there something 'wrong' with belted nitro heli?

c) my biggest fear for getting into nitros is tuning... (i have had just a bit of expirience with petrol engine planes, but i never felt comfortable enough due to deadstick chance....) should i learn autos first before diving into nitros? (i know it sounds funny, but out of 5 real life autos, i have had only one 95% succesful...

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Re: Synergy N5C Flybarless Belt Drive Kit for a first nitro?
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2013, 04:31:10 PM »
The N5C was my first nitro of any kind.  It's really easy to work on.  Mine is still a belt drive.  There's definitely nothing wrong with the belt drive version, the torque tube drive will help with autos because there is less drag on the main shaft as you auto.  I'm still pretty awful at autos but I have successfully auto'd mine several times when I've had to.  I love the way it flies and it's been really reliable.  As far as tuning, I have an OS55HZR in mine and it's been pretty easy to tune.  I just started with the factory needle settings and then leaned it out a little bit from there.  I'm probably run mine on the rich side but it still makes a lot of power and flies great. 

As far as a first nitro kit, at least in my experience, it's a great place to start.
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Re: Synergy N5C Flybarless Belt Drive Kit for a first nitro?
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2013, 09:56:37 PM »
A) Best nitro out there.  Great power to weight ratio.  Run the 55HZ or 55HZR and you will not have tuning problems.  The 55HZ may be just a little less sensitive but like Rodney said.  Keep it a little rich and you will love it.

B)  TT versus belt.  Almost as many pros and cons as Electric Versus Nitro ;D  I started with the belt and added the the TT. Glad I did.  Autos with the belt were okay but even better with the TT.  Also you will notice a slight improvement in power due to the reduced drag as Rodney mentioned.  Belts take crash damage better.  I have broken belts though.  The TT is easier to work on due to the need to either disassemble the tail box or remove the main shaft to remove the belt.  On the TT just loosen two screws and pull the whole thing out.

C) Again the OS55's are very reliable and easy to tune. 



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Re: Synergy N5C Flybarless Belt Drive Kit for a first nitro?
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2013, 11:08:03 PM »
I will have my N5C torque tube kit within the next month so as far as N5C models go I can't yet comment. I can however comment that my Synergy E7 is amazing! Everything works, there is no week link like a lot of other models have.  All you do is fly it. 

In N5C the 5 comes from the 50 size nitro motor, the new nitro 700 or N7 about to be released is that way because, Synergy many moons ago had already released an N9 and the two birds are COMPLETELY different.

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Re: Synergy N5C Flybarless Belt Drive Kit for a first nitro?
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2013, 02:17:02 AM »
Thank you! I guess now all depends if stock lasts trough haloween! :) im sure i will have a lot of questions.. Later!

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Re: Synergy N5C Flybarless Belt Drive Kit for a first nitro?
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2013, 03:53:23 AM »
You won't regret it buddy I promise you!

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Re: Synergy N5C Flybarless Belt Drive Kit for a first nitro?
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2013, 02:41:39 PM »
doing some research about nitro tuning... lets say for os55 tuning... how much true is in this article?

http://www.archeli.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=110979

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Re: Synergy N5C Flybarless Belt Drive Kit for a first nitro?
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2013, 08:05:01 PM »
Hey Mr. Rimaarts,

I want to be fairly blunt here as to avoid any confusion. 

First let me say I know how your feeling!  This feeling is common.  I started flying nitro about 12 months ago and was nervous, unsure, searching for information, and all for not. I started with a Os50 which came in a used heli built by a hobby master.  The .50 ran great!  I will say this and people who disagree will disagree but.....  The three needle carb is a pain in the neck to tune if you have no idea.  I had so many problems tuning the 3 needle carb I got rid of it.  I replaced it with a 60L carbureator off of the Os.50 I had laying around and it has ran better than any nitro I have ever seen, imagined, dreamed, it propbably puts out more power than a whole lot of people thinks there great setup 3, 4, 50 needle carb put out. 

The bottom line is KISS!  I flew my .55 for 5 months with the 3 needle carb, in that span I blew 3 pistons replaced about 20 plugs replaced the bearing 3 times and dicked with the ridiculous 3 needle carb CONSTANTLY!!!!!   Is it smoking enough, let me check the temp, can I touch the backplate for 8 and a half seconds, after pitch pump does it surround itself in smoke? ETC...........

If your a novice like you and I, we will notice that the fun is gone when we live the above paragraph.  As far as how many needles the carb has? Hell no. I put the Os .50 60L carb on my Os55hz motor in 2 minutes, no special tools or parts to buy its a direct bolt on.  Since I started using the 60L carb on my .55 I have flown 14 gallons and tuned the engine initially (3 tanks) and had about 60 hours of fun flying.  That's what its all about isn't it. 

PS fortunately Used Os .50 hypers are a dime a dozen. Check out helifreaks and look for a Os 50 hyper with a blown piston, I bet the person selling it will part with the entire engine for the price it costs to ship. And since the carburetor doesn't blow with the engine Baam there it is, order yourself a brand new OS .55 hyper take the new OEM carb off, throw it away and put the used one on.  This is a honest and true account of factual real world recent account from a fairly savvy modeler like yourself who is only hoping that he had to go through that so that he could enlighten others and save them a good bit of money and a truckload of frustration and grief.

Jon M

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Os 50 60L carb
Traxxas onboard Temp gauge. $20
Boca Bearing Ceramic front and rear shielded bearings.  $70 dollars on the 14th gallon and smooth  8)
VP Powermaster 30% Helimix   $140 for 6 gallons delivered
Boxxer Electric fuel pump.  Purchased used for $25 dollars powered by electric drill battery
Dewalt 20volt cordless drill (starting equipment) purchased by my boss for ? doubles as a Cordless drill
Switch GloPro (absolute must have for many reasons!) $70
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Re: Synergy N5C Flybarless Belt Drive Kit for a first nitro?
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2013, 09:08:22 PM »
Rimaarts,

 Let me start off by saying welcome to the forum, I must interject a bit regarding the OS 55hz, My opinion is the OS 55 is one of the most popular engines in the Nitro 600 class. I am a Veteran Synergy Team Member an I can say a majority of the Team flies this motor without any issues what so ever. The majority of problems I have seen throughout this hobby revolves around lack of knowledge. You are definitely going to benefit by watching Smack Talk's video about tuning. I believe Nick Maxwell has one as well. It comes with understanding the theory of how it works. For me there is nothing wrong with going and buying an OS55 Hz or HZR and running it like you stoll it. I have run an OS 55 stock in one of my helicopters for 30 gallons and never had an issue. I took a break from OS about 2 years ago wanting to just try something new, I remember Matt busting my B's cause I went to YS . I ran those and never had an issue except for the Damn YS120. I hate it because I can't seem to wrap my head around it. However there are guys that swear by it and absolutely love it, My friend Tim Jones . I ended up swapping back  and invested in the OS 105 and haven't looked back. Matt was right needless to say. OS is one smooth running engine Bone Stock and a Stock OS 55 with stock carb is quite frankly one of the easiest engines to tune out there. Pay close attention to the motor when you start the breaking procedure. Theses motor are very good at telling you what they want if you listen and watch. Tuning is an art but an art that everyone can learn. Do your homework , don't be scared to ask questions. "Just pay close attention who you ask" :) pay attention to the weather and field elevation. Good luck brother. Also in closing Fuel plays an important part in performance and tunability. 30% is the way to go. And I run the Bearing Mod in mine and she runs smooth as silk. Good luck and welcome to nitro.. Just wait till the N7 comes out :)

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Re: Synergy N5C Flybarless Belt Drive Kit for a first nitro?
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2013, 09:21:51 PM »
Agree with Kevin wholeheartedly.

Mine runs great. Many a gallon through it in the last year and no problems. Original bearings. Two glow plugs.

The smacktalk video is very helpful +1!

I do recommend the Hatori SAB-55 pipe. I had tried the fun tech but the Hatori does give a little more power and smoother transitions...IMHO

I don't see any reason to replace the stock carb on the 55HZ or HZR.

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Re: Synergy N5C Flybarless Belt Drive Kit for a first nitro?
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2013, 11:54:31 PM »
thank you for taking time to answer me.. :) but i would feel much better knowing if that article would be helpful for the first time tuner, so i can make myself a checklist first time out, like do that, listen to that...

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Re: Synergy N5C Flybarless Belt Drive Kit for a first nitro?
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2013, 12:06:48 AM »
As Kevin stated already... Your best bet is going to be download the SmackTalk instructional video on Tuning. That way you can "hear" what to listen for.

What engine are you planning on using? The link which I briefly glanced at was for an O.S. 50.

PS. I use an O.S. 55 HZ-R (Stock Carb) with an Hatori pipe. Easy if you will on the tuning... And consistent.

Mark

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Re: Synergy N5C Flybarless Belt Drive Kit for a first nitro?
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2013, 01:30:08 AM »
what i meant, isn't tuning principles generally the same for all os engines/ys engines/ glow in general?

fast lad, where i usually get 90% of my heli stuff has OS MAX 55HZ Hyper and OS MAX 55HZ-R so most likely choice will be OS 55hz (non-regulated)...

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Re: Synergy N5C Flybarless Belt Drive Kit for a first nitro?
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2013, 08:31:49 AM »
Non-regulated works great I used one for a couple years and even with a couple/few lean runs it ran like a champ! Very forgiving motor!

I run the belt due to lower reapir cost..but the TT def reduces drag as Alan mentioned! 

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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2013, 08:44:55 AM »
what i meant, isn't tuning principles generally the same for all os engines/ys engines/ glow in general?

fast lad, where i usually get 90% of my heli stuff has OS MAX 55HZ Hyper and OS MAX 55HZ-R so most likely choice will be OS 55hz (non-regulated)...

Yes the principles are the same except an the added step of tuning the mid range on a three needle carb.

Cheers
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