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Offline mstlc03

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Re: CAUTION: E7 CRASH - Belt snapped - disappointing
« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2011, 02:40:26 PM »
Steve, thank you for documenting this information.  I do however have one question.  On our E7s, is it advisable to REMOVE the bottom tail frame spacer?  I remember reading a thread by Matt that says he doesn't have his installed in his heli.  Just trying to ensure that when I go and rebuild my E7, that I remove any components that might have caused this belt failure...

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Re: CAUTION: E7 CRASH - Belt snapped - disappointing
« Reply #46 on: November 07, 2011, 02:45:15 PM »
Steve, thank you for documenting this information.  I do however have one question.  On our E7s, is it advisable to REMOVE the bottom tail frame spacer?  I remember reading a thread by Matt that says he doesn't have his installed in his heli.  Just trying to ensure that when I go and rebuild my E7, that I remove any components that might have caused this belt failure...

Thanks!!!

I didn't leave mine in. Makes it easier to check belt tension and their doesn't seem to be any negative effect on the tail case structural stability.
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Re: CAUTION: E7 CRASH - Belt snapped - disappointing
« Reply #47 on: November 07, 2011, 02:49:32 PM »
I left mine in and haven't had any issue. I have seen them without it and I have seen people take a long screw with a smooth shaft and put bearings with brass grommets on the ends of them underneath in that spot to help guide it. (Not sure if how I worded that makes sense lol) Basically it looks like the pulley guide on the top but bearings in place of the plastic wheel... 

If you feel it could have caused the crash go ahead and remove it. Can't hurt.

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Re: CAUTION: E7 CRASH - Belt snapped - disappointing
« Reply #48 on: November 07, 2011, 02:54:51 PM »
Hmmm...OK.  Just looking for anything at this point to help with longer use of the belt.  I truely do NOT know what caused the belt to go so early.  Matt did post in HF that he is going to investigate this...

BTW, thanks for shipping the main shaft to me so quickly!!!

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Re: CAUTION: E7 CRASH - Belt snapped - disappointing
« Reply #49 on: November 07, 2011, 04:41:20 PM »
Yes spraying the belts is handy.
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Re: CAUTION: E7 CRASH - Belt snapped - disappointing
« Reply #50 on: November 07, 2011, 05:04:32 PM »
The silicone spray keeps the belt from drying out or cracking. It actually IS advised on the E6 E7 N5c and N5.... It does not cause any slipping on the belt.

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Re: CAUTION: E7 CRASH - Belt snapped - disappointing
« Reply #51 on: November 07, 2011, 07:59:00 PM »
guys,

 on the lower spacer you can leave it out! It Will Not hurt anything and believe me the Tail Box is More than Rigid enough with out it. (THIS HASN'T BEEN ANY ISSUE'S WITH THIS KIT. I don't run it on my N5c or N5. Just Leave it out. If the Belt in certain situations were to ever get slack on the Lag end "Bottom" it could rub. I have Never seen this happen on ANY Synergy!! I just removed mine As well As Matt doesn't run his. It WON'T HURT YOU EITHER WAY.  JUST PREFERENCE. ;) IF THE CREATOR OF THE HELI DOES IT WHY NOT ME?? ;D

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Re: CAUTION: E7 CRASH - Belt snapped - disappointing
« Reply #52 on: November 07, 2011, 08:01:16 PM »
In regards to What Steve said,

Lube the Belts!!!! Trust Us...  ;D

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CAUTION: E7 CRASH - Belt snapped - disappointing
« Reply #53 on: November 09, 2011, 10:01:04 AM »
Now that others have been posting issues, ill toss in my opinion. Take it for what it is.

I have been running the Mikado belt now ever since the 10th flight on my E7. No matter how much lube I sprayed on, or how tight I ran the stock belt, I would have belt slap/ringing, and worse tooth contact inside the boom.

What I have found is that the stock rubber/fiberglass belt just stretches too much as the load on the tail changes. As the belt loosens up on the non drive side, the slack created there becomes pretty dangerous as belt snapping becomes possible.

The polyurethane/Kevlar belt Mikado uses, is far less susceptible to stretching under the same loads. I'm sure this is why Mikado chose to use them when the 600SE was being tested. There are obviously more money, but are custom made for that application. Bando does not offer that size of belt to the public it seems, but made them by order for Mikado.

One more change I have made is I am running the rear tensioner as more of an idler pulley like a mikado tail. Setting my belt tension where I want it without the pulley there at first , then installing the pulley. Obviously making modification to the tail case to have the pulley ride higher.

This does 2 things. First it keeps the belt riding where it should as the tail shaft gear is lacking flared sides to keep the belt in place. Second it creates more gap between the belt in the center of the boom where the belt passes itself. Which will help with the teeth grabbing each other under load. If the boom was larger in diameter (25-30mm) I doubt this would be an issue. 

Since doing these mods I have about 40 flights or so on the E7 and all seems to be working well. I can post pics and more details if others are interested.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2011, 04:42:19 PM by BennyTRD »

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Re: CAUTION: E7 CRASH - Belt snapped - disappointing
« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2011, 10:12:23 AM »
I am very interested in your mods.  Please post pics  :D  Thank you!!!

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Re: CAUTION: E7 CRASH - Belt snapped - disappointing
« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2011, 11:20:05 AM »
Did you use the same tension for the Mikado belt as is recommended for the stock belt?

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Re: CAUTION: E7 CRASH - Belt snapped - disappointing
« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2011, 11:21:16 AM »
I will second on the Logo 600SE belt. It isn't cheap, but it is much smoother, lower profile and doesn't stretch (at least not noticeable). The entire system seems to be much more free with the Logo belt. This is in part to the fact that the material itself is more "dense" like a polymer and less "rubber like", which adds to the friction equation.

I have also noticed a lot less (almost non existent) sound of the teeth hitting each other and the belt slapping the inside of the boom with the Logo belt. I also don't notice the "bounce" or rubber band effect near as much with the Logo belt.

Bottom line is the torque tube is in the works, so it may not be worth the extra change to get a different belt. The stock system appears to work very well for a lot of people. I personally am about as persnickety on my tail drive systems as anyone I know of and I will go the extra mile to make it 2% better.

BennyTRD: I would like to see where you positioned the pulley. I was thinking about moving mine up and even relieving the boom to have some additional space for the belt to exit without touching the edge. The teeth are very close together when entering the boom. I didn't want to put in the effort to machine new parts for a larger diameter tail boom, as the torque tube is underway.
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CAUTION: E7 CRASH - Belt snapped - disappointing
« Reply #57 on: November 09, 2011, 12:05:14 PM »
Forgot to mention the less resistance in the drive system with the Mikado belt compared to stock. Used to only get 2 or 3 turns with the stock belt, where as now it's more around 6 is 7 rotations.

Agreed the TT will hopefully solve all issues but at least this has been working for me in the meantime. 

I'll post up some pics and more details when I get back to my computer.
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CAUTION: E7 CRASH - Belt snapped - disappointing
« Reply #58 on: November 09, 2011, 12:09:11 PM »
Did you use the same tension for the Mikado belt as is recommended for the stock belt?

Pretty much yes. Just enough tension to not have the belt ringing in the boom.

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CAUTION: E7 CRASH - Belt snapped - disappointing
« Reply #59 on: November 09, 2011, 04:37:51 PM »
In the 3rd pic you can see how much I elongated the tensioner bolt holes. They are approximately 5.25mm from top to bottom now. This puts just a slight pressure on the belt to keep things lined up.

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