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Offline brw0513

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Low Headspeeds for 600mm & 626mm Stretch Airframes
« on: July 27, 2016, 06:45:40 AM »
I'm doing my research now to convert an E5 to gas power using the OS GT15HZ.

In electric guise, what would low headspeeds be for the 600mm and 626mm stretch airframes?

1500, 1650 and 1800rpm for both or something different?

Does an E5 on a 6s setup for low headspeeds weigh around 9lbs?

Any special head dampers required for these low headspeeds?

Thanks.

Offline gwright

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Re: Low Headspeeds for 600mm & 626mm Stretch Airframes
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2016, 08:13:31 AM »
Currently flying an E5/600 on 6s/5500's. 605 mainblades, 105 tailblades, the 4.9 tail speedup, then some modified gears in the rear to bump it up more.  Tail ratio is 5.45 to 1.  Flying at 1500/1700/1900 for the three rpms. Started with 16 degrees pitch, but have tweaked since I built it last year, so probably a degree or so less at this point.  It should be well under 9 lbs, I just forget what it was when weighed.  My "super stretch" E5 with 700's and 12s/4350 is 9 and 3/4 lbs. Each 6S/4350 is 20 ounces, where he 6s/5500 is 28 ounces, so 28 versus 40 for battery weight gets the number to 9 lbs. I'm also using a motor that's physically smaller and lighter in the 600, and then there's the weight difference in boom,blades,esc. (edge hv80 plus BEC pro in the 700, talon 90 in the 600). I like 1500 and spend most of my time there (except when night flying, for some reason I like to rip around at high rpm at night).  I really like using 5S/5000's~5500's, which I do quite often.  My motor/gear tops out at 1600 plus a few rpms on 5S, but it's of course lighter, and I can spend the entire flight in the 1500 mode without getting the talon 90 hot. At the low weight, at 1500, it's great for smooth, "geriatric 3D". Flying a mix of the rpms, switching around during flight, I normally go 8, sometimes 9 minutes, on 6S,.. and 10 to 11 minutes on 5S at 1500 the entire time.
Stock head dampers, and shimmed pretty tight too, with no wobble. 
As for your original question,.. 1500 seams pretty low compared to what is "common", but it feels fine flying, plenty of performance assuming sufficient pitch.  1400 works but gets a bit too soft on collective for what I like with the 600.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2016, 02:54:36 PM by gwright »
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Offline James F

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Re: Low Headspeeds for 600mm & 626mm Stretch Airframes
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2016, 03:28:09 AM »
On my E5s I have 1600, 1750, and 1900hs set.  Flying 3300mah 12s from 4.5 to 6min depending on which flight pack I am using.  At 1600 and 12 deg of pitch I find it sluggish lifting off.  I prefer to keep the hs at 1750 for most flying and bump it up to 1900 for anything requiring power.

I run a 4035, edge 120hv, wr super bec pro, and 620mm blades with 96mm tail blades and the tail speedup gears.

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Re: Low Headspeeds for 600mm & 626mm Stretch Airframes
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2016, 08:38:20 PM »
Geriatric my butt! gwright rips it @ night with that machine... It's a sweet set up for sure!

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Re: Low Headspeeds for 600mm & 626mm Stretch Airframes
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2016, 03:59:08 AM »
Yes  the e5 is awsome.  I have never used under 1800hs on any model so i find 1600 lathargic

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Re: Low Headspeeds for 600mm & 626mm Stretch Airframes
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2016, 07:00:10 AM »
I run 1400, 1750, 2050 on my E5s with 626s.  I spend 95% of my time in IU1.  Currently running 8 cell.......2 4 cell packs, 3700mah, and get right around 8 minutes of flight time.

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Re: Low Headspeeds for 600mm & 626mm Stretch Airframes
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2016, 07:09:56 PM »
I run 1400, 1750, 2050 on my E5s with 626s.  I spend 95% of my time in IU1.  Currently running 8 cell.......2 4 cell packs, 3700mah, and get right around 8 minutes of flight time.
What pitch range do you use?  I just upped my collective to 14 so it may be in my future to lower ui1 to 1750 on my 12s setup.

3300mah 6s packs are netting approximately 6-6.5min.  I am swinging rotortech 620mmm blades.  I would love to extend the flight time a bit more.

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Re: Low Headspeeds for 600mm & 626mm Stretch Airframes
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2016, 06:27:34 AM »
I think I'm at 12.5 to 13, but I'm guessing.  I know I don't have 14.  I'll have to check and report back.  I just did a full flight at 1400 this weekend, and I was around 12 minutes when my mah counter went off.

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Re: Low Headspeeds for 600mm & 626mm Stretch Airframes
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2016, 02:07:57 PM »
Nice

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