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Offline dairik

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« on: September 03, 2012, 04:01:20 PM »
So uh, the E5 is not even released yet.  Well Matt, is a next-gen N9 on the drawing board?  :o

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Re: N9 2.x
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2012, 06:49:47 PM »
 :-X

Offline dairik

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Re: N9 2.x
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2012, 05:17:04 AM »
OK Felt, so it's like that huh?  I see ... keep us affcianados in the dark. ;)

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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2012, 06:02:22 AM »
Can't release too many at the same time; then people like me would have to make a choice on which one to build instead of saying oh well I bought a new heli last year...meh its been long enough, time for a new one.


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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2012, 08:07:44 AM »
LOL Brandon.  Yeah, yeah,  I know, it's about market saturation and focal points.  I was just wondering if it is in the works.  Gotta have something to dream about...kinda like whether they are ever going to release Rounders Part II.

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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2012, 08:26:43 PM »
I'm watching the nitro market very closely right now to determine the when part of the equation. :)
Every event I attend, I take note of nitro vs electric. So far the nitro 90-120 size is still declining, the electric 700 size is going up, the nitro 50 size also seems to be going up. I think the nitro 50 size is still hanging in there I think because they do not use as much fuel. Nitro 90-120 is very expensive to run due to the fuel consumption. In order for the nitro 90-120 market to start getting popular again I am afraid we need cheaper fuel prices.

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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2012, 08:55:36 PM »
I think that calls for a Synergy gasser my friend. =D


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Offline Kevin Dalrymple

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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2012, 10:15:53 PM »
The funny thing is the 55 helped the fifty market. The N5C size with the 55 makes sense. I have put 4 flights on my 90 size heli this year and put cases of fuel through my N5C. Cheaper to fly with the fuel price and it is bigger than a Trex 600N. Best of both worlds.
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Offline dairik

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Re: N9 2.x
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2012, 03:57:04 AM »
Matt,

I think on the whole you may be correct.  As always, there's multiple ways to assess the market trends.

1) It's unlikely that the Nitro market is going to significantly change in price, mostly because very little is produced domestically

2) Electrics produce wicked power, run clean, and are overall easier to build and maintain.  Downsides:  Limited cycles and flight times with batteries.  With the recent and continuing advances in battery technology, if the costs to produce quality and longer-lasting batteries goes down, we will probably see an even bigger swing to Electrics

3) 50-size machines are definitely more versatile.  They are typically more nimble, nitros suck less fuel, and they are somewhat easier to transport. 

4) Market depends on what kind of flying people are doing.  The trend is definitely toward hard 3-D which is better suited to smaller electrics and 50-size machines.  However, there are tons of sport flyers out there as well who like the bigger machines.

On the flip-side:

1) The 90-size market will never completely disappear.  You will always have the folks out there that want "big and bad". Plus the 90-120 size machines just sound awesome and produce a visceral effect that is not easily replicated with a 50.

2) Maybe "somebody" needs to mitigate the high cost of nitro by researching and introducing alternatives: more efficient nitro engines, better power from gassers, or even diesel (I am a big fan of this one).

I am sure most of this has considered these points already.  I know you are still getting Synergy back in the spotlight and it begs the question:  what are your goals for the company?  Rebuild the brand name or redefine the market?

As others have already said, I believe you have excellent designs and sound direction.  Thanks for listening!

In Botos we trust... ;D

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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2012, 04:59:27 PM »
I would venture to say, If there were a very high volume of emails or requests for the New Generation N9, Then I could see Matt coming out with one. I guess easiest way to say is, I don't think there is That big of an interest in it. Not saying anything bad nor am I implying that there won't be one, I myself own 4 N9's and would love to see the Next Generation, I just think a lot of the attention surrounds the electrics, By manufactures and Heli Community. You can't support the Cost involved in R&D to Full Production with a Hand full of interested guys. You would go Broke.. Just an opinion. ;)

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Offline dairik

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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2012, 03:48:25 AM »
Kevin,

I definitely see the business-end of the decision. Part of it will depend on whether Matt wants Synergy to compete in all of the different size classes, along with other manufacturers.   I guess we will see if the demand is there after a while.

Wow, 4 N-9's?  Hmmmm, which one should I fly today? :o

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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2012, 11:43:08 AM »
My first synergy was an N5c, also my first and only Nitro.  I also have a Compass 7HV, Goblin 630 and an x5.  When I'm by my house I can fly the electrics, when I hit the field I can fly any of them.  Funny thing happened last weekend when Will and I were flying.  I was packing up and had everything packed but the synergy and Will said to me that I must really like my Synergy since my other helis don't see any flights.  We spent 5 hours at the field, my compass and goblin both saw 1 flight, the x5, 0.  The synergy I flew 8 flights that day.

Even when at the house, I fly my 450 more.  Not sure what it is about my N5c but I just love that thing.  I guess that makes me more of a nitro guy so I would love to see an updated N9.
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Offline dairik

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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2012, 05:20:00 AM »
Maybe we ought to start a poll.  Wonder where we should pull the sampling from? Hmmmm.

Offline Noah Wiley

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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2012, 08:50:58 PM »
I want an N9c BAD! You can count on me getting one and I know a guy who said ''I am waiting to see if Synergy comes out with another N9. Then it would be my first Synergy''

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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2012, 10:26:52 AM »
All I can say is, I think everyone should at least have an opportunity to fly an N9. I have flown many 90's and the Heli as a whole this Model Flies great, When Matt put his spin on it, It Flew even Better. They are truly a great flying Heli !! I hope that the Economy changes in regards to fuel prices as well as the Market, This is one Model that deserves to be in the Air, Old design or New.. ;)  ( My Opinion) ;D

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