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Offline Greg J

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So what do you think / E5 12s 556 blades
« on: October 22, 2013, 07:46:59 PM »
I decided on a E5.  I'm I on the right track? 
The servos are in question, I save $150 vs. all Futaba. Don't know if I would notice a difference?
Batteries will fit my 500dfc now. The next project will be  E5s 606.  I think these batteries may work for a 600?
I think I would end up with dedicated stick packs?
   
 
Scorpion    4025-550   *12t pinion  *Head speed 2000, 2250, 2350
CC 120HV
CC Pro BEC
Scorpion Bug Back up
CC Quick Link
MKS DS 670 Cyclic 6v
MKS HBL 980 Tail  6v
AR7200BX
Rail 556
Rail 96
Battery Choices:  ECO .........................3400 6s 30c    46w x 145 x  41     494g
                            Revlectrix ................. 3200 6s 60c    44w x 130 x 17?    530g
                            Glacier-Stick Pack......3300 6s 30c    52w x 275 x 44     1240

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Re: So what do you think / E5 12s 556 blades
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2013, 08:38:02 PM »
1) The MKS HBL950 HV tail servo is awesome.  I own two of them.  However, I run them at 7.5v.  I don't know how well they perform at 6v.


2) The MKS servos are generally deeper in dimension than the Futaba servos.  See comparison below.



On the Synergy E5 and E7SE, you would need to shim the right and left cyclic MKS servos, otherwise these two front cyclic servos would contact each other at the butt end.  The Futaba servos do not require shims.  Those who use the MKS servos with shims do not report issues with decrement in head geometry, so the MKS servos with shims should work fine.


3) I don't know about the Scorpion 1100Kv motor, but the KDE-1100Kv motor has plenty of power on 6S to spin 556/96 blades without bogging (specially now with the new Castle 4.18-KDE firmware).  Decreasing Lipo size from 5000mah to 4500mah makes the E5 even more nimble.


Although there is improved electrical efficiency going from 6S to 12S, the weight of two 3300mah Lipos may make the heli loose agility when spinning the shorter 556 blades.  Unless you plan on going with high C rated 6S 2600mah or even smaller mah packs, you may as well just stretch to accommodate the 606 blades, if you want to use the heavier 3300mah packs.


4) 2000 to 2350rpm HS may make choosing the optimal tail gear ratio challenging.  When spinning 96mm tail blades, the optimal tail rpm is considered to be between 9,500 and 10,000.  With the stock 4.0:1 gear ratio, the HS would end up between 2,375 and 2,500rpm optimal range.  When using the optional 4.5:1 gear ratio, the optimal HS range would be between 2,111 and 2,222rpm.


Hope you enjoy your new E5 with whatever electronics you choose as much as I have.

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Re: So what do you think / E5 12s 556 blades
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2013, 07:55:18 AM »
All great points Curmudgeon!

Looks like a good setup Greg, but I agree 100% with Curmudgeon. You might find those packs a bit heavy for a 556 E5. I have one of my E5 helis setup on 12S, I am running Optipower 50c 2700mAh packs I made into sticks. I don't fly hard 3D but I do use a lot of collective heavy moves. I can easily get 5 minutes of hard sport/big air with these packs turning 2450 on the head.

The optipower packs have a posted weight of 520g each, but I don't trust that number. They are significantly lighter than my Pulse Ultra 45c 3300s I run on my 12S E5s on 606 mains.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2013, 07:58:20 AM by Chris Sexton »
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Re: So what do you think / E5 12s 556 blades
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2013, 06:33:11 PM »
Thanks, this is a great site! 

That clears up the battery question and that's a big deal!  Batteries aren't cheep. Great info Chris

I'll just invest in some 2700mah 6s packs.  I could use them on the 500 too but most likely would make 12s stick packs than fly 3400mah on my 500.  I would have 3400's for the E5s 606 project.     

Thanks Curmudgeon great info, that helps allot.

Head speed revision: 2250, 2375, 2450

Anything else?
Servos ok? 
The AR7200 is what I use now so I comfortable with it. Any thoughts for a beginner pilot headed to intermediate?

Thanks
Greg 

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Re: So what do you think / E5 12s 556 blades
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2013, 07:50:32 PM »

Any thoughts for a beginner pilot headed to intermediate?

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