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Offline mrtnnicholas

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Pinion collar rubbing on main gear
« on: December 14, 2011, 10:43:55 AM »
Hi everyone. Today i found after a few harder (applying more torque) flights that my main gear was rubbing on the pinion collar. My kit came with the one way bearing installed in the hub backwards. My hub is not a 100% symmetrical, there was approximately .040" difference in clearance to the pinion collar with the pinion seated against the third bearing block radial bearing when i flipped the gear and hub assembly over to test fit. When higher torque is applied to the slanted gear the motor shaft will want to push down hence the pinon setting on the third bearing block and the main gear will flex up towards the pinion collar. You could fix this one of two ways.
    First, if you happen to have a arbor press or larger jawed bench vice laying around you can simply and carefully remove the one way bearing and flop it around. This is what i did to mine. VERY important though is to have a very close fitting outside bushing so you do not bend the hub mounting ears and only apply pressure the one way bearing on the side that has the writing and direction arrow. This side is the flatter side so you stand less of a chance to damage the roller guides on the inside of the bearing housing. Second VERY important step is to heat the hub assembly from the outside with a heat gun. The hub is aluminum and the bearing housing is steel so they have two separate properties for heat expansion(aluminum faster than steel). First you need to remove the brass spacers from the hub so heating it is necessary to release the locktite bond. I had to work them out from the opposite side using something to catch the spacers inner radius edge and worked it around until i could get them out. Now with moderate pressure you can push the one way bearing out(heating as you need to)not too much though because of the plastic roller guides inside the one way bearing. The one way has a very close interference fit with the hub so be careful. Now that you have the bearing out, let it cool back to room temperature. When it is cool, throw it in the freezer for about an hour or so(shrinks the bearing). When you are ready to re-install it back in the hub get it from the freezer, make sure it is in the correct direction, reheat the hub assembly and start to re-install it. Once you get the bearing past the lip of the hub, get your two brass spacers and install them WITH LOCKTITE and finish pressing the bearing into the hub until the brass bushing are flush with the outer edges of the hub. Let the hub cool down before installing on the main gear as per the manual. Now you can reassemble everything back together. Now I have plenty of clearance without any chance of rubbing.
    Second. If you happen to have a 6mm inside diameter shim laying around in your parts bin, you can use that between your pinion and your third bearing block radial bearing. The shim can't be very wide though. You only want the shim as wide as the radial bearing inner flange or it could rub on the bearings grease seal plate.
    Like i said, this is what happened with mine that had the one way bearing installed backwards. Yours could be backwards and still have enough clearance not to rub on the main gear. If you do have a rubbing problem and care to fix it and not just let it wear off, then I hope I was able to help with the process.

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Offline Darren Lee

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Re: Pinion collar rubbing on main gear
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2011, 04:37:39 PM »
I believe rubbing the pinion collar is normal.  The purpose of the collar is to stop the maingear from riding up too high.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2011, 07:25:49 PM by Darren Lee »
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Offline Gregor

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Re: Pinion collar rubbing on main gear
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2011, 01:09:13 PM »
I believe rubbing the pinion collar is normal.  The purpose of the collar is to stop the maingear from riding up too high.

When positioning the pinion on the motor shaft, should we be setting it so the collar is just above main gear or resting on the main gear slightly?  I suspect a small amount of silicone grease, or silicon spray placed on the top shoulder of the main gear would be helpful for smooth operation?

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Re: Pinion collar rubbing on main gear
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2011, 07:51:28 AM »
I set mine resting on the support bearing, which should put the collar above the main gear a bit. .
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Offline Magneto

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Re: Pinion collar rubbing on main gear
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2011, 08:55:41 AM »
Does anyone know the size of the one way mine is backwards and I want to buy a new one incase it gets damaged when removed I dont like putting things in upside down they should straighten this out at the factory!

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Re: Pinion collar rubbing on main gear
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2011, 05:32:53 PM »
no need to remove it, just flip it, it's reversable.
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Re: Pinion collar rubbing on main gear
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2011, 05:48:33 PM »
Does anyone know the size of the oneway bearing ?

Offline Tommy Wagner

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Re: Pinion collar rubbing on main gear
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2011, 06:53:50 PM »
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Offline Gregor

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Re: Pinion collar rubbing on main gear
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2011, 09:42:51 PM »
no need to remove it, just flip it, it's reversable.
  The OP reports his hub was not 100% symetrical.  Flipping the hub did not resolve his issue.

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Re: Pinion collar rubbing on main gear
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2011, 05:50:22 AM »
Im installing my motor today and will see how the pinion lines up with the main gear. You would think that the hub being upside down with the flange up as the main gear is pushing up and that is the right direction for it instead of putting the force on the screws, but its a beefy gear so it may not matter.
« Last Edit: December 19, 2011, 08:13:01 PM by Magneto »

Offline mrtnnicholas

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Re: Pinion collar rubbing on main gear
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2011, 11:52:23 AM »
@magneto

That is a valid point. On the N5C it is installed screws up but it is a straight cut gear. Maybe Mr. Botos could chime in  and advise the best route to go with this.

Like I wrote, this is what was happening with mine. If you do not have the same as I did then maybe it is just best left alone. Fly it and enjoy it.
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Offline Magneto

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Re: Pinion collar rubbing on main gear
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2011, 02:59:17 PM »
mrtnnicholas I see your point now about it not being the same offset so maybe it wont ride up when installed like the manuel so im going to redo my one way if it lines up better when I flip it. Thanks
« Last Edit: December 19, 2011, 08:14:52 PM by Magneto »

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Re: Pinion collar rubbing on main gear
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2011, 01:30:09 AM »
I desiged the one way hub symmetrical so that you can flip the sleeve around and have the same main gear position. I would need to take measurements on your hub and main gear to determine if it is out of tolerance. it very well cold be main gear thickness and not the hub itself. Either way, this is not a problem.

The pinion should rest against the lower bearing support in order to cancel downward helical force. If the pinion is set too high you could potentially damage your motor bearings. The large collar on the pinion is also there by design to stop the gear from rising too high. Interference between the main gear and pinion collar is normal operation, nothing needs to be fixed. Grease your main gear for the smoothest operation.

Guys, please do not attempt pressing the one way out, there is no reason to do this. There is no "correct" direction for the hub, I will be placing a note in the online manual. In order to keep confusion to a minimum, I will make sure the factory presses them all in the same direction.

I hope that clears things up.

Thanks,

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Re: Pinion collar rubbing on main gear
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2011, 03:30:27 AM »
When you say "Grease your Main gear for smoothest operation" are you referring to the top of the gear or the teeth as well? I've always read that greasing the gear will introduce grime causing the gear to wear faster. Or do you just mean the top of the gear where it can ride against the collar? Would this not run on to the gear teeth so causing the extra wear? What grease should we be using? Am I just worrying about something that I shouldn't be...? :)

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Re: Pinion collar rubbing on main gear
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2011, 04:25:40 AM »
Hi Guys,

Here is a picture i took of my setup showing the height setup of the pinion so that it rests againt the lower bearing support.

Hope this helps

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