Synergy Tech Support
General => Rotor Blades => Topic started by: Greg Jackson on November 28, 2012, 10:47:08 PM
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Will these blades be available around the release date of the E5? Also, which tail blade size should be used with the E5 as well?
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The 556 are already available and in stock at some dealers.
http://www.fblrotors.com/Rail-556-Main-Blades_p_477.html (http://www.fblrotors.com/Rail-556-Main-Blades_p_477.html)
I know most guys are going to run the 96mm tail blades.
Justin
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Got mine at IRCHA just to make sure I beat the rush. I'm glad I did.
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I will order some after Christmas I'm sure.
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I wonder if I should use a less expensive blade until I get the settings dialed in just to make sure I don't have a blade strike?
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I wonder if I should use a less expensive blade until I get the settings dialed in just to make sure I don't have a blade strike?
Go with the the Rail 556 they were designed with the E5 in mind and are properly weighted as such. They will give you good stability in hover and they are quiet.
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Even while dialing in the settings though? Ok, I'll come to Atl and let you look it over before the maiden flight then.
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Even while dialing in the settings though? Ok, I'll come to Atl and let you look it over before the maiden flight then.
Especially while dialing in the settings! Blades can effect FBL gain settings, tail gain settings, pitch and roll responsiveness and a myriad of other things. . All rotor blades are not created equally, how they are weighted, where they are weighted, airfoil design, width and balance all effect the way the helicopter flies and how responsive it is. I would have never believed how much difference there is between blades that appear the same on the surface had I not experienced this for myself flying a set of prototype blades that were crazy fast (never went to production). I will be happy to look it over come on down.
Rich
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Good point Rich. I had to dial down my E7's just a bit when I started using rail blades. Much more responsive than anything I had flown prior. Funny thing is now I have started increasing agility now that I am used to them and more comfortable with both the E7, blades and my ability:-)
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Glad I picked up a set, really nice. I have to really tighten up the main rotor bolts though so the blades weren't flopping all over the place. Is that normal for the E5 main grips?
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Glad I picked up a set, really nice. I have to really tighten up the main rotor bolts though so the blades weren't flopping all over the place. Is that normal for the E5 main grips?
Did you put on blade spacers? Note: the Rail 556 blades do not come with spacers but, the E5 requires spacers. I am using 1mm spacers. One on the top and bottom of each blade. Someone please correct me if the thickness is wrong, I did not take them off to measure.
Rich
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Yes. I needed to use spacers with the 556 Rail Blades. I had a stash of them from e6 and e7 blades. Yes I have crashed a few RailBlades:-)
Aan
Alan Butler
Team Synergy
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crap, I don't have any spacers. I thought maybe the tail blades were actually the spacers, took off one and it wouldn't fit on the bolt. There were some extra bearings or something in the spare parts kit, could I use those? What else could work as shims?
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I don't have any additional "thin" spacers or I would give them to you. I obtained mine the same way Alan obtained his. :o
Rich
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So that should be something included in the kit. He has tail blade spacers in the kit and with the tail blades, but no spices for the main blades. I will see if my idea will work. Thanks though!
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I don't think I would be experimenting with anything on the rotor head. You need (4) 1mm blade spacers with 4mm holes.
Rich
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So that should be something included in the kit. He has tail blade spacers in the kit and with the tail blades, but no spices for the main blades. I will see if my idea will work. Thanks though!
Actually blade spacers are generally included with the blades above 600mm. Normally helicopters that run 550mm blades don't need spacers but, the E5 was made to be configurable (at the request of Synergy consumers) and therefor has larger main blade grips than most other 550 size helicopters. This is why the E5 requires spacers and also the reason they are not included with the blades. I guess you could say it's a catch 22.
Rich
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See, that is why he should include those in the kit. I have the shim I doctored up on now, but if you see it tomorrow and think its a bad idea I will take it off. But the only other option is to tighten down the bolt in the blade grip enough. Surely some other first time Synergy builders are having issues with the blades and this kit. Does Matt have any extras laying around his house? I keep running into small hurdles, but I'm sure I will get over everything and one day have it up in the air.
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See, that is why he should include those in the kit. I have the shim I doctored up on now, but if you see it tomorrow and think its a bad idea I will take it off. But the only other option is to tighten down the bolt in the blade grip enough. Surely some other first time Synergy builders are having issues with the blades and this kit. Does Matt have any extras laying around his house? I keep running into small hurdles, but I'm sure I will get over everything and one day have it up in the air.
Do not tighten down the blade grips to get rid of the space! This will cause all kinds of problems starting with blade tracking problems. Bad idea, this is a $1.99 fix lets not turn it into a $1200 mistake.
Rich
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Lol,'ok great, so I guess these can be found at a hardware store.
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I'm not sure about hardware stores, they are made of aluminum. 1mm thick with a 4mm hole.
Rich
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I have a bunch I can send you some if you don't mind waiting for the mail.
Let me know!
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Yeah that would be awesome. I'm headed to see Rich today for set up and hopefully a lift off. But if we can get it in the air I can wait to fly again once I have the proper shims. It is supposed to rain Saturday so that will make me resist flying it until I have the right shims.
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PM me an address, I will put them in the mail tomorrow, you will have Monday.
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PM me an address, I will put them in the mail tomorrow, you will have Monday.
Only on the Synergy forum do you get this kind of service.
Rich
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Shims arranged.
I am curious, does anyone sell these seperate?
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Shims arranged.
I am curious, does anyone sell these seperate?
Ron has them, I sure other places do as well.
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Wish I knew this before. Maybe one day Matt will throw in a free pair of shims. I'm going to contact fun-key or funky monkey, whatever they are called, as a customer and ask if they could include the shims.
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I have now mailed out all of my extras, glad I could help a few of you out :)
For those who can't find any locally, Ron Lund and HeliProz South has them:
These are what you need for rail 556s
http://www.ronlund.com/rcheli-prod/BLADES_MISC/CYSPACERS600.html (http://www.ronlund.com/rcheli-prod/BLADES_MISC/CYSPACERS600.html)
I am sure the Shims in the blades will be fixed soon.
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These are listed on the tools and supplies list as well. If you are building a Synergy "E" series you should check it out.
http://synergyrchelicopters.com/forum/index.php?topic=1195.0 (http://synergyrchelicopters.com/forum/index.php?topic=1195.0)
Rich
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Glad you adjusted that. When I saw shims I saw there were some in te box and thought those were it, but the they didn't fit! Thank you again guys for all the help.
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The shims have been on the tools and supplies list since I posted it. I didn't have a vendor link on it until a couple of days ago. My hope is that anyone considering the E5 will take note of those items that are required before beginning the build. Building is much more enjoyable when one has all of the necessary tools and supplies and doesn't have to continue to order thinks piece meal. I don't know about everyone else but, I despise having to stop in the middle of a project because I failed to gather necessary tools or equipment.
Rich
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I feel the same way. I might have my Heli programmed tonight but won't get to test it before I go to work because I'm waiting in the shims Chris graciously sent me.