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General => Main Helicopter Discussion => Topic started by: Greg J on April 04, 2013, 06:49:16 PM
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Just curious about the realism of the Synergy helicopters on the Real Flight 6.5 simulator. If they are anywhere close to real I can't wait to get one of those bad boys. The best flying heli I think out of all of them. Smooth, even, consistent.
I just upgraded my 5.5 to the 6.5 and got the heli mega pack with it. I don't have much experience but I do practice allot on the simulator. It's starting to pay off.
Nothing like getting real stick time however. Just flew 4 batteries on my 450 and still getting the big a rush. But landed all 4 flights on a 2'x3' plywood board. The simulator is paying off.
Just curious
Greg J
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I turned the tail speed down a little and added some weight to the N5c. Flies pretty close now! I haven't played with the E7 much yet.
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With a little tuning, RF6.5 and the real e7 feel very similar. Its all about matching the power, weight, pitch, rpm and cyclic rates to your real world setup. Having the sim and real life matched so closely has helped improve my flying significantly!
If you need any help tuning the sim to match your e7 (when you get it) just send me a PM.
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What, I'm Greg J.!!! Weird.
Wish they had the E5 on real flight. The G4 flies well on that sim too
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Picked up RF 6.5 flying the E7 and liking it. Seems to fly very similar to my bird. After putting my E7 in in the head thought I better work some inverted skills on the sim before continuing on.
I had been flying it for 20 flights and having a blast with it. Then started working some basics. When I was inverted I noticed in the crash and on the sim my habit for upright flight was kicking in once and a while while inverted. Driving it in to the ground.
Need to break this habit before attempting anymore real inverted hovering.
Doesn't help with the 4525-520kv powering it in with gravity. Very quick!!
Now flying 60% inverted to get over the muscle memory.
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RF is great for getting that muscle memory. Do go back and do all your other maneuvers during a session though. I have found that If I spend too much time on new maneuvers I start getting sloppy on the old ones. Mix it up a bit.
Cheers
Alan
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Anybody try the orientation training? Seems like the flybared heli is very sensitive. I was wondering if its set up right or its just a flybar simulation?
Can't switch models that I know of.
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Any possibility of the E5 being added to RF 6.5?
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You cant make it pretty real by dialing down your headspeed cyclic controls and tail. But most helis on realflight that are big names are set up super crazy fast and touchy. Example being the Rave Env tail in realflight 6.5
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My E5 actually out performs the E6 and E7 on real flight, so I usually fly with those to train my eye.
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For me the best performing Heli on RF is the E720 G4 though.
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Barry,
you brought up a very good point, Muscle Memory, So many pilots go straight to trying 3D and attempt to master all the tricks they can, What many don't realize is that they fail to work on all aspects of orientation ( Nose in, Inverted flight. all positions!! I spend more time honing my inverted skills and purposely putting myself in situations only to get comfortable knowing that regardless of the attitude you may end up at, you can without thinking make the right split second decision to right the so called wrong. I was one of these guys that back in the day if I had one little bobble, I would lock up like a computer and the heli would fall like a 3 holed brick. Not bragging by any means but I can tell you I don't crash for the sake of freezing up, I never stop flying the heli if I endded up in a sticky situation. I tend to do a lot of my flying Very close to the ground and Inverted at that. You will get to a point like Matt, Nick Maxwell and the other Pros, where if they end up in trouble, they don't think when it comes to recovery. they just become automatic and are able to retain there composure. all tricks derive from knowing were you are at, at all times. I end every flight with a few minutes allocated to practicing my Flying vocabulary.
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Excellent point Kevin.
I see so many guys that get comfortable doing one or two certain 3D maneuvers and end up doing that same routine every flight. As soon as they get themselves into an unexpected orientation they are not familiar with... Trouble. Especially in low altitude situations.
Practicing in all orientations and becoming familiar (having a bailout plan), is so important. The rest falls into place.
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Thanks Mark,
I didn't mention this but I feel compelled to. Last year October 22nd I was flying at our field. I was the only heli guy there. My father In Law was with me and our club president and VP and his family. They fly 30% Airplanes, Keep in mind our field is Heli/Airplane friendly. I fly airplanes as well. I was flying one of my E7's and was literally 1-1.5 inches off the ground inverted. I had at that point lowered and scrapped the Blades. All systems were go. I had every ones attention for sure. as I raised the heli back to 1.5 inches off the ground I started a slow pirouette. On the 2nd time around I saw the tail twitch and the tail servo let go. The tail whipped around so fast in the Direction of the Main Rotor, I had a split second to react to try to get this under control. Honestly I stabbed the collective and got the heli in the air. Well in doing that, I inadvertently added an aileron input an the heli went over my right shoulder roughly 8 ft in the air. I followed that machine over my back and it was heading towards the Pits where the club members were. I had hit throttle hold and still carried a lot of inertia in the rotor. When I noticed where the heli was going, I sucked the heli back towards me and parked it 3 ft behind me on its head. It happened so fast. Making sure everyone was Okay and Keeping My composure not to elevate the situation, I picked the Heli up and went to my station. I couldn't get out of my head 'What Could Of Happened" if it went the other way. And I thank God no one got hurt, But also thank God I practice my orientations with a lot of luck!! If it wasn't for a couple of my Teammates support, I was giving up flying.. People loose sight of what these machine can do! and Better yet how dangerous they truly are. My advice is Make sure your Equipment is inspected regularly before every flight, and that you Practice for the what if's. It will happen!! that is a fact! just be ready for it.. ;)
Be safe,
Kevin
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Late winter/early spring I went over all of my basics again because I realized I skipped a step: backwards flight inverted. I then decided to work on forwards and backwards flight, inverted and upright, again to make sure I had the basics down. I still work on things like keeping a pure line. It's sort of like drumming; I see all of my students practicing super hard licks. But when I ask them to play something basic they freeze up. That happens more than we all know.
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Sorry, just saw the post from Kevin that hit while I was posting the last thing. I feel like we learn a lot from "almost crashes" and real crashes. I've been lucky to save a few helis before.
One thing that helped me is the setting on RF that let's the helicopter malfunction. It helped me to prepare for anything that could happen. Plus the walkeras I had and Blade helis would fail a lot for no reason and that taught me a lot. Glad no one was hurt in the situation with Kevin though.
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Anybody try the orientation training? Seems like the flybared heli is very sensitive. I was wondering if its set up right or its just a flybar simulation?
Can't switch models that I know of.
While in the training screen or orientation screen hit the "~" key on your keyboard, this will bring up a command prompt. Type Loadvehicle Synergy E7 (or whatever model you would like to practice with) and hit the enter key. The model you selected will load. Hope this helps!
Rich
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Anybody try the orientation training? Seems like the flybared heli is very sensitive. I was wondering if its set up right or its just a flybar simulation?
Can't switch models that I know of.
While in the training screen or orientation screen hit the "~" key on your keyboard, this will bring up a command prompt. Type Loadvehicle Synergy E7 (or whatever model you would like to practice with) and hit the enter key. The model you selected will load. Hope this helps!
Rich
Nice tip Rich. I didn't know about that one :D Much better to use the training tools with what we actually fly!
Cheers
Alan
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Alan, I'm not sure anyone knows about it. The answers I found on the internet when I was trying to figure it out were, "it can't be done."
Rich
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I tried it this morning that's a sweet trick Rich!
Cheers
Alan
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I tried it this morning that's a sweet trick Rich!
Cheers
Alan
Sim time at the office Alan? ;)
Nothing like it
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Awesome tip. Good to see you here again Rich!
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I tried it this morning that's a sweet trick Rich!
Cheers
Alan
Sim time at the office Alan? ;)
Nothing like it
No.. Had a 9am Dr's appt so I went into work late today. Had time to play at home this morning ;D
I work in nursing homes and carrying the Realflight transmitter around with my laptop might look suspicious ::)
Cheers
Alan
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I'm happy to see I'm not the only one who thought being able to practice with what you are flying was a good idea. LOL ;)
Rich
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With all of the rain in the southeast it looks like all that can happen is sim time. I cranked up some settings on the E6 and it handles more like my E5. It would be great to have a version though. Its fun to fly the other helis on RF but I prefer seeing something that looks and feels like the heli I own.
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+1 on the tip. Can someone tell me what the channel mapping for a T8fgs would look like in order to show actual movement on the stick on the the screen right now everything works except throttle and pitch. In Idle up the remote on screen shows the left stick at current throttle level. Thanks
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Wow that's crazy. Great tip.
Getting back to the sim season.
Just ordered Parallels 9 and Windows 8.1 for my Mac. Going to see how it runs with out dual booting. Also will be nice for hocking my main computer to the FLB units.
Barry
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I run RF on both my mac book air and mac book pro. I have parallels on both as well as boot camp. On the air with parallels RF is too much for it and it lags. Runs OK with boot camp. On the Pro RF will run both ways but performance is still better in boot camp. Both run windows 7.
For FBL software and castle link I use parallels.
The dual boot really doesn't annoy me. Both laptops reboot quickly. SSD drives make a difference.
Cheers
Alan
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Thought to try it on my Mac Book Air was pretty sure it wouldn't run on on it in Parallels. Wanting to run it on my Quad core mac pro or macbook pro. Should run fine. Not sure where to put it as I'm only going to get one copy of Windows.
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Well just ordered the heli mega pack for RF. Hoping the N5C works pretty well right from the get go and I can use it as a practice 50 size model for my flying next year. The E6 and E7 fly pretty well, but as a nitro guy I like seeing the ol' smoke on the sim and not having the crazy torque characteristics the electric machines bring to the table in the simulator. Gotta keep those collective management skills (or lack thereof) in check :)
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Got my mega pack yesterday and kudos to Matt for his work with the Knife Edge guys. The N5 flys great right out of the gate. Tweeked a few things like tail rate and expo, but short of that I thought it was a very well put together model. Liked the fact that it does reflect less hang time in autos than the 700 size machines I was using before so should be a good training tool for aerobatic autos with the 50 size machine next spring.
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I have 6.5 and 7. Not using 7 much yet. The physics are even better I think.
I do have a RF 6.5 multiplayer session that I am trying to keep up and running 24/7. Occasionally the server kicks it off. It is Alan's 3D Heli Only.
Cheers
Alan
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I have Parallels & Windows installed on my Quad core 17" MacBook Pro today. Put 6.5 on it today seems to perform ok in medium graphics mode. May have to try the boot camp method.
Barry
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Barry.
Go into the graphics settings and turn off some of the fancy stuff.. particles, shadows, etc. That will help...
Yeah. Boot Camp does handle things better. I am always amazed at how much quicker windows runs in boot camp as compared to my windows laptop.
Cheers
Alan
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For boot camp do I have to reload the both operating systems?
Barry
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No. The boot camp assistant will create a partition on you hard drive for windows and leave your osx partition intact. Be sure to give the boot camp partition for windows at good 25gb.
PM me if you need help :-)
Cheers
Alan
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No. The boot camp assistant will create a partition on you hard drive for windows and leave your osx partition intact. Be sure to give the boot camp partition for windows at good 25gb.
PM me if you need help :-)
Cheers
Alan
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Thanks got it going on boot camp and makes a huge difference. Looking forward to some winter siming.
Barry
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Cool. See you on multiplayer?
Cheers
Alan
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So can anyone with 7 confirm if it comes with the heli's included in the mega pack? I'm gonna be pretty ticked if I just bought the mega pack and I could have just upgraded to 7 where they are included for just a few bucks more.
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No the mega pack is not included in RF7...
Cheers
Alan
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Is it worth getting 7 if your have 6.5.
I wouldn't mind using my own transmitter.
Barry
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Thanks for clearing that up Alan. Now I feel a bit better :)
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Is it worth getting 7 if your have 6.5.
I wouldn't mind using my own transmitter.
Barry
From what I've read there is not a huge difference between 6.5 and 7. I am going to wait before upgrading. Surprised by the lack of models for RF7. Plus, there still is not an E5!
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Is it worth getting 7 if your have 6.5.
I wouldn't mind using my own transmitter.
Barry
From what I've read there is not a huge difference between 6.5 and 7. I am going to wait before upgrading. Surprised by the lack of models for RF7. Plus, there still is not an E5!
the E6 and N5 are there in RF7, if my memory serves me right. I was surprised at the E6. I would have expected the E5 instead.
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The RF7 upgrade also has the E7. :)
Rich
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I have the E7 on my RF 6.5. Do you mean the new E7?
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Just wanted to mention a problem I was having on RF7. It seemed choppy and the resolution wasn't quite what I expected.
Under settings the operating system compatibility came default windows XP, so I changed to the correct one and things have been great. Not sure if this is all of them but its worth checking.