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Offline Zaaaguy72

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Servo Choice, E7
« on: October 13, 2011, 03:02:23 PM »
I have stripped my Logo 600SE and am replacing it with the E7.  All the electronics out of the Logo are good, except I am considering replacing the Jr Servos (no slop yet, but will soon I am sure) with the Bls 255HV's for cyclic and 256HV for the tail.  Is there a remarkable difference between the 255/256 combo and the Bls 451/251 combo?  Worth the price difference?

Setup:
Jive Eighty HV with Heatsink
Pyro 700-45L 14 tooth pinion 2150 head-speed
Edge Blades until Rails become available
Vbar 5.2

My poor logo is a skeleton now!
 

Offline seldred

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Re: Servo Choice, E7
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2011, 03:46:33 PM »
I run BLS 253/ 251 in all of my set-ups and am very happy. I have flown the heli with 255hv/256hv and it does feel a little more "crisp" not to mention they are more efficient. I personally won't be swapping all my equipment out for the high voltage setup, but if you have the funds for it, I would go for it!

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Re: Servo Choice, E7
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2011, 05:51:41 PM »
Yes, 100% worth the price difference!
Your gains will be higher and the helicopter will feel much more locked in.

I would give the E7 a fresh set of servos :)

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Offline Zaaaguy72

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Re: Servo Choice, E7
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2011, 06:36:28 PM »
$600 in servos en route!!  I figure a new heli deserves it! ;D

Offline Jean-Luc Bolduc

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Re: Servo Choice, E7
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2011, 06:58:45 PM »
Interesting, will be trying 255's and 256 soon too.
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Re: Servo Choice, E7
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2011, 07:52:36 PM »
I anticipate a future dedicated cyclic servo that has the same frame rate as our current Futaba tail servos. If we could put a 760us servo on the cyclic and provide 200oz of torque and .06 sec speed it would feel absolutely amazing. Mark my word..... this is next.

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Re: Servo Choice, E7
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2011, 08:08:17 PM »
I'm sure you know what Futaba are working on, therefore I will trust what you are saying. This is only going to mean that I will need to spend another fortune on servos soon.
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Offline Zaaaguy72

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Re: Servo Choice, E7
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2011, 08:09:45 PM »
He does have a point, it would be the next logical progression.  Your word is marked!

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Re: Servo Choice, E7
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2011, 09:11:25 PM »
I anticipate a future dedicated cyclic servo that has the same frame rate as our current Futaba tail servos. If we could put a 760us servo on the cyclic and provide 200oz of torque and .06 sec speed it would feel absolutely amazing. Mark my word..... this is next.

Matt

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Offline ElectricSheep

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Re: Servo Choice, E7
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2011, 12:39:16 AM »
It's interesting that the BLS255HV and BLS451 servos have the same specs at 6.0V:
Speed: 0.10 sec
Torque: 142 oz • in

The BLS255HV servo specs at 7.4V are:
Speed: 0.08sec/60  (7.4V)
Torque: 12.0kg  cm (7.4V) ==> 166.6 oz • in

That's an improvement, but it's not a huge improvement.

So when I saw the Futaba BLS157HV specs, the torque numbers floored me:
Speed: 0.11sec/60 ° (7.4V)
Torque: 37.0kg • cm (7.4V) ==> 513.8 oz • in (!!!!)
Speed: 0.14sec/60 ° (6.0V)
Torque: 31.0kg • cm (6.0V) ==> 430.5 oz • in (!!!!)

Shouldn't these be the ticket? Or, is this just a case of pure overkill, with a servo that has massive torque -- which in turn may need massive amps? I mean, there must be a torque value that's high enough to move the swash for even the most demanding moves. For example, there are a lot of guys out there using BLS451 @ 6V on 700-class helis. While these servos don't have eye-popping specs, the pilots that use them aren't complaining that the heli isn't doing what it's told.

So my questions are (and these are for a 700-class FBL heli, flying hard 3D):
1) what really is the minimum amount of torque you need for "good" heli response? For lack of a better explanation, I guess "good" means that the heli is doing everything you're telling it to do, without ever feeling that the heli seems "disconnected." I reckon that if you installed some servos rated at 75 oz-in and 0.25 sec on any 700-class heli, it wouldn't fly so well. LOL!
2) what's the minimum servo speed needed (for cyclic servos)? For example, I know lots of guys that prefer using the Futaba BLS351 (206 oz • in and 0.13 sec @6V) over the BLS451 as a cyclic servo. It seems they believe the higher torque outweighs the slightly slower speed.

Matt, what do you think?


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Offline Ross Lawton

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Re: Servo Choice, E7
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2011, 03:15:23 AM »
Hi,

I am currently using the Futaba BLS451's and BLS251's on my N5/N5C and also my E6, they are outstanding servos for the price. The BLS451's have excellent speed and torque ratings and are very efficient.

I have the BLS451's running at 7.4v on my N5 running through a Spektrum AR7100R receiver and also have them running at 6v on the E6 running a seperate regulated receiver supply. I have a seperate lipo powering the avionics which is 2150mah and after a couple of flights i'm not even touching the halfway mark with this pack so i could quite happily have a pack half the size and save some weight.

With regards to the Speed Vs Torque, there is definetly some truth to this as back when i had two N9's i had them both setup identical except the servos as one was installed with JR DS8915's (DS8717 in the US) and the other had Futaba 9351's and i found the one with the Futaba 9351's which had more torque flew much better and smoother, it responded faster due to the extra torque.

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Offline HelliYea

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Servo Choice, E7
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2011, 04:28:46 PM »
Would also assume direct swash to servo links would like more torque?

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Re: Servo Choice, E7
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2011, 09:14:04 PM »
Definitely do not skimp on the torque.

Matt

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Re: Servo Choice, E7
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2011, 08:22:46 PM »
I use BLS156HVs!

Specs:
Speed: 0.12sec/60 ° (7.4V)
Torque: 21.0kg • cm (7.4V)
Speed: 0.15sec/60 ° (6.0V)
Torque: 18.0kg • cm (6.0V)

They aren't the fastest HV servos around but they have tons of torque which is the main thing you need for flybarless! I use them with a BeastX and they preform great and have plenty of speed for smack-style flying!  :)

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Re: Servo Choice, E7
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2011, 07:42:10 PM »
Agreed, speed is nothing without sufficient torque. Those 157 seem really awesome.
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