New E7SE on it's way...

[cml001]

Lol... At first when I started, I felt so overwhelmed and confused... Over 2 years in the hobby now and I feel I have a much better grasp on things.. But still have questions constantly.. Maybe more on the preference kinda stuff and not so much of being completely lost.. And yeah.. helis ain't cheap! I'd love to try a Kontronik.. But can bring myself to spend more than twice that of equivalent Castle products.. Which I like & have had no issues with whatsoever. But, if $ were not a  deciding  factor.. I'd try the Kontronik... But u won't be disappointed with Castle.

[Mark Burberry]

At the end of the day they all work. It's what works for you... Setup, budget etc.

Kosmik has a built in BEC, excellent and easy to setup governor, can handle very high amps, great soft start, built in anti-spark to name a few. It is also 14s capable, so is future proof should you go that route at some point.

The Castle guys will have their set of pluses to why they like it.

Both will do the job just fine for what you are looking for in your setup.

I think honestly... For what you need right now, the Castle will work great for you and save a bit of cash.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Ding0]

Guys, seriously... the Kontronic Kosmik is like buying a Porsche 911 for $50K and then putting $40K into the motor! Then there's new suspension and transmission to get too!!! The Kosmik is 77% of the cost of the E7SE kit alone!

Which brings me to the pluses it has over the other gear... Mark you mentioned the excellent governor. Does that mean I'll be able to get the Low Head Speed I'll want to achieve in order to get the longest flight time possible out of the 6300 (probably) packs I end up getting?

How much does "setup" play a role for that price compared to the CC?

[Mark Burberry]

Ding0,

The Castle governor will work for you for what you are trying to achieve. No question about it. You will see no extra benefit in getting a Kosmik for your needs.

As for setup, it's a preference. There is no hard rule about it. The only hard fact I can tell you is that the Kosmik is 14s capable which the Castle is not... And that is not a factor in your decision. As for everything else, I think it has all been covered between the two speed controllers you are looking at. Everyone has offered input.

Going with your car analogy, there are some people that will drop 100k for a BMW no question, when they could still get from point A to B with something costing 20k. It's all just personal preference, what you want / need or even just like.

Matt Botos runs the Castle 160 in his E7SE anywhere from very low HS (SlowMo) flying to hard 3D and it works very well. Often we tend to overthink these things.

Good luck with your E7SE and enjoy 

[Steve Graham]

I run the following: KDE 700-495, CC Edge 160, 12S 5000, full size Vbar, separate RX pack, HW phase sensor since the CC RPM signal didn't work for me.

I have a low headspeed set for 1600 and get over 8 minutes for training other people.  1600 RPM with both packs on board gives plenty of performance for mild 3D.  The CC does get warm doing this as it does not have freewheeling design but I believe the overhead the 160 provides has allowed it to be a reliable setup so far.

To get much more time than this on a 700 with enough power to do much but hover is going to be tough I fear.

[Ding0]

I'm really learning so much just from this conversation... and I appreciate every bit of it!
So I pretty much had the CC Phoenix Edge HVF 160 w/Fan set in my head now... until I read half of Steve's response - the part in particular that piqued my interest was

...it does not have freewheeling design...

without beating a dead horse here... is there another unit that is not as expensive as the Kosmik but better than the CC PE HVF 160? One that does have "freewheeling design"? I'm guessing that means when the rotor is turning it's drawing power, regardless if the motor is being driven?

[Mark Burberry]

Dropped you a PM Dean. Check your messages.

Mark


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Cliff Chmiel]

Im using the cc 160hv with fan and work perfect using the cc bec too, im in sw florida its hot here my esc comes down cool, the fan works. I used the 3d products for the esc mount and bec bolts under it nice clean install. And comes with everything You will need to mount everything, hard part is to pic the color of you mounts? Use the money you save on batteries. Holiday week coming up should be some good sales on the internet?

[Ding0]

Thanks for your input CLiff - I'm sold on the CC 160wFan - should I get the WR BEC PRO or Mini?

[dpelletier]

The WR mini can only handle 8s for input, complicates your series harness. The Pro Mini can handle 18s input but it's also $119. The Hercules  Super is plenty at $99. This is the one I have. But I also have the CC super BEC and it works great.

from mobile

[Josh Moen]

I have a King Kong III Pro 200a ESC in the pile for the 766, i have not run it yet but all I've heard from users has been positive. Before I made the purchase I contacted the guy at MD to talk about it and next thing I know it was an hour later, super nice guy and pretty knowledgeable. There are 4 total versions, a pro version and not a pro version, in a 160a or 200a model. You definitely want the pro version as the other non-pro version has been discontinued and from what the guy told me is the fan ended up not doing anything other than swirling hot air inside the case. They don't have a BEC but that wasn't a make it or break it scenario for me, I've run the Castle BEC Pro for years with no issues. The King Kong has a GUI much like the Castle, it has a governor and it does logging as well, all the things I liked about the Castle(except the gov). It also has Active Freewheeling! It is about the same physical size as a Castle 160. The price of the 160 is $287 which is a whole lot more acceptable than a Kosmik and the 200a is a whole $27 more.

Features:

32-bit Microprocessor with up to 80MHz frequency
4-14S Lipo support
Active FreeWheeling
Motor PWM frequency 8-32K Hz
Throttle resolution up to 1uS
Throttle signal refresh rate up to 1K Hz
Integrated RPM sensor to simplize the wiring for extenal Governor
Optimized the Governor Algorithm to ensure the head speed more stable
Fully CNC aluminium housing with built-in high quality bearing cooling fan to efficient the heat dissipation
Built-In data Logger (logging parameters: battery voltage/current/throttle output/temperature/motor RPM)
Reserve the telemetry interface easy to transfer the realtime data to the third part device
Program setting by your smartphone through an external wifi module (sold separately)
Real flight data (battery voltage, current, esc temperature,motor rpm ) can be telemetered on your smartphone
Max 240000 RPM with 2 pole motor (Heli Mode: Max 160000 electric RPM)
Available in 160A and 200A (4-14S lipo)


KingKong III Pro 160A HV Features:

Input Voltage: 4s-14s Lipo
Continuous Current: 160A
Max Current: 220A
BEC: No (OPTO Isolated)
Programmability: HiFei USB Link (included), Hifei Software V5.0 (Included), Wifi module (sold separately)
Data Logging: Yes
Dimensions: 100mm x 57mm x 23mm (3.93" x 2.24" x 0.90")
Weight: 196g  (6.91oz)

http://www.mdhelicoptersusa.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=80_81&product_id=400


FYI: I am not in anyway associated with this company(MD or Hefei), I am just excited that there is another option for a 200a 14s esc without taking out a second mortgage.

[Cliff Chmiel]

Im use cc bec pro set up on 7v with great success, but the others work great too, I just pick the cc bec because of the cc160fan. I like to keep things simple. 

[Ding0]

The knowledge just keeps coming in - Thank You guys!
I've got 2 new SEC's to look into... YGE 160 and Josh's suggestion the KK III 160  information overload!

It seems I'm not sold on the CC 160wFan like I thought I was   

[Cliff Chmiel]

Happen to me to when got back in to flying helis, but it great for everyone input, more info is much better then no info

[Rodney Kirstine]

This might be the one finally makes your head explode, but...  Take a look at the Hobbywing 160HV V4, too.  It is brand new, so not a lot of customer reviews out there yet but it's got a lot of really great features.  I've used their ESCs on several models in the past with really good results.

http://www.falconsekido.com/products/platinum-pro-v4

FWIW, I have been running a CC Edge 160HV on mine for many many flights, with a CC bec pro wired to 6S, with zero problems.  I also use the CC governor.