E5 HC3SX settings

[Greg Jackson]

Are you talking about the new (more expensive) Bavarian Demon version?  Hey had an article in Heli pilot with all of the FbL units, but it just listed stats, not how they fly.  I could have written that article. Sorry, I was looking forward to a new issue but this current issue isn't for me.
But the new version has a lot of features.  Not sure if it has GPS yet though.

[flyalan]

If your heli is headed for the ground it will make it go vertical regardless of the orientation.  If set up correctly.  If you are more inverted than upright it will level the heli and go vertical inverted.  You can set it up to flip upright then go vertical but it may take longer to happen depending on your orientation.  It does not cancel out forward momentum.  It has no GPS.  It does have awesome gyros though.
The SX does what it is deigned to do and does it very well.  It has saved my helis many times. 
The downside is that there have been some power issues.  You MUST have a very reliable source of power.  Dropping below 5V is very dangerous with these units from my experience.  I also had some difficulty getting it to play nice with the E5.  The head damping is such that you had to crank the gains down fairly low to eliminated aileron bobble. 
 
I own 4 of them and still fly it on the E7 (not SE) and the N5C.  Overall I prefer the feel of the CGY750...
 
Cheers
Alan

[Greg Jackson]

Hmmm, so it didn't work so well with the E5.

[flyalan]

Hmmm, so it didn't work so well with the E5.

Well I just could not get it to play nice unless I cranked the gains way down.  When I did that it did not feel locked in.  I run around 85 head gain on an E7 and N5C with the SX.  I could not do that with the E5.  The head on the E5 is much more rigid and even with softer damping I wasn't happy.  I am now trying a VBar on the E5 and so far it's fine.  I may end up with the CGY750 on it though.  I am really happy with the most recent firmware and it is flying great on the E7 SE. I will likely keep the HC3-SX on the N5C since all is good.  As well as my backup E7.


Cheers
Alan

[Brandon Bartolomucci]

I've got mine to work with my E5 so far without issue. I believe I'm down around 76 in the head gain. I'm not crazy 3D guy but with stall turns, loops, rolls, ETC I no longer get a head bobble. But as Alan mentioned it took some tuning flights. 3 of them for me to get it where I liked it.


Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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[Greg Jackson]

I love the vbar on my E5 but I don't know if I will update to the pro software.  I did get the pro software for another vbar on a different heli and it really didn't seem to be that big of a difference.  Just looks like more programming options which I didn't really need.  The good thing is the HC3sx and some other units don't need the extra software.

[jabull]

Starting with the Tail Gyro Page:
Travel- Left 92, Right 95
Tail gain set in the radio is 85
Yaw Agility 11.  After flying this week I am going to bump it down to 10.  Just a bit too snappy!
Yaw Expo 3
Delay 1
P Gain 14
D Gain 4
Revo Mix 0


Rigid Page
Head Gyro 88
Gail Aileron 16
Gain Elevator 16
Agility 10
Initial response 4
Elevator Filter 2
Optimise for Universal
P Portion 15
D Portion 6
Attitude Hold Range 10
Decay Rate 7


I have 3D Acro set in the horizon page with the only change is the collective pitch travel for rescue as 9.






Cheers
Alan

Hey Alan, curious to what tail servo you are using and what kind/style of servo arm? I'm having a hard time getting my tail to hold. I've dismantled and rebuilt the tail rod, grips and assembly to make sure everything is smooth without much luck. Getting pretty severe tail kick when I goose it. One thing that concerns me is that I can't get my travel past the high 70s or early 80s which makes me think that something isn't setup mechanically correct.


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[flyalan]

I will check my measurements after I arrive at IRCHA :-)
I have just about every tail servo known to man on birds.  Never had an issue.
Cheers
Alan


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[MyRCode]

I have the MSH Brain which is the same as the Ikon and it doesn't have bailout. It does have self leveling though which is one step towards bailout.  I have heard of flyers setting up the self leveling with mixes to try and recreate the bail out like feature of the HC unit. One note on the brain for the SL, make sure you don't forget to get it on a perfectly level surface and set the button that tells the Ikon what "level" means... otherwise you will get a surprise like i did with my protos when i flipped the SL switch mid flight to try it out 

I am curious, how does the 3SX Bail out differ from MSH Brain self level? The 3SX doesn't have GPS so it can't hold a spot in the sky or bleed off forward momentum.  What is the definition of bail out?

The 3SX bail out will level the heli and then apply either positive or negative pitch (if set to acro mode) to push the heli away from the ground.  You calso have the heli level to upright only and apply positive pitch.  The 3SX will continue to apply positive pitch as long as rescue is active so most people have it on a momentary switch.

[copenhagen]

I'm trying to pick an FBL system for my upcoming E5 build.  I am stuck between the iKON, Skookum 540, and V-Bar.  I like the Demon, but don't see it being worth $450- esp if the iKON functions as advertised with the self leveler.  I was wondering if anybody has experience with all 4 of these controllers?  I have a Spektrum 8000 receiver and a DX8.  I have lots of experience with the Beast, but I want something better and heard these other units actually fly better.

[flyalan]

I'm trying to pick an FBL system for my upcoming E5 build.  I am stuck between the iKON, Skookum 540, and V-Bar.  I like the Demon, but don't see it being worth $450- esp if the iKON functions as advertised with the self leveler.  I was wondering if anybody has experience with all 4 of these controllers?  I have a Spektrum 8000 receiver and a DX8.  I have lots of experience with the Beast, but I want something better and heard these other units actually fly better.

I have flown VBar, Beast, Ikon, CGY750 and Bavarian Demon (am a Rep).  All fly well and you cannot go wrong with any of them.
As far as self leveling versus bailout... Ikon has self leveling. Tried it once and almost crashed... Didn't mess with it after that. Chris can comment on that more.  That being said the Bavarian Demon has true bailout verses just self leveling.  You can set it up to self level or do a full bailout. Believe me... It works!


Cheers
Alan

[copenhagen]

I'm trying to pick an FBL system for my upcoming E5 build.  I am stuck between the iKON, Skookum 540, and V-Bar.  I like the Demon, but don't see it being worth $450- esp if the iKON functions as advertised with the self leveler.  I was wondering if anybody has experience with all 4 of these controllers?  I have a Spektrum 8000 receiver and a DX8.  I have lots of experience with the Beast, but I want something better and heard these other units actually fly better.

I have flown VBar, Beast, Ikon, CGY750 and Bavarian Demon (am a Rep).  All fly well and you cannot go wrong with any of them.
As far as self leveling versus bailout... Ikon has self leveling. Tried it once and almost crashed... Didn't mess with it after that. Chris can comment on that more.  That being said the Bavarian Demon has true bailout verses just self leveling.  You can set it up to self level or do a full bailout. Believe me... It works!


Cheers
Alan

If I could get the Demon for what you get it for... I'd probably go for it.  I pm'd Chris earlier.  I'm hoping he chimes in here too so if others have the same question in the future they will have more background info.

[Chris Sexton]

I too have flown everything on that list. Demon has the best bail out hands down. I personally think the ikon offers the most customization and fine tuning is very straight forward. Vbar has a unique feel. Some like it some dont.

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[flyalan]

I'm trying to pick an FBL system for my upcoming E5 build.  I am stuck between the iKON, Skookum 540, and V-Bar.  I like the Demon, but don't see it being worth $450- esp if the iKON functions as advertised with the self leveler.  I was wondering if anybody has experience with all 4 of these controllers?  I have a Spektrum 8000 receiver and a DX8.  I have lots of experience with the Beast, but I want something better and heard these other units actually fly better.

I have flown VBar, Beast, Ikon, CGY750 and Bavarian Demon (am a Rep).  All fly well and you cannot go wrong with any of them.
As far as self leveling versus bailout... Ikon has self leveling. Tried it once and almost crashed... Didn't mess with it after that. Chris can comment on that more.  That being said the Bavarian Demon has true bailout verses just self leveling.  You can set it up to self level or do a full bailout. Believe me... It works!


Cheers
Alan

If I could get the Demon for what you get it for... I'd probably go for it.  I pm'd Chris earlier.  I'm hoping he chimes in here too so if others have the same question in the future they will have more background info.

I bought four Demons before I became a rep for them and paid full price for those.


Think of what one crash costs. Even on a good day you are looking at around $125-150.  Demons are $450. VBars are >$300 plus more if you get pro.  Ikons are less $$.  Either way if it saves you a crash or two it has payed for itself.  Believe me it has saved me plenty of $$$.  Still it's a chunk of change up front but well worth it.  I only rep for them because I believe in the product.  Just like Synergy 😃


Cheers
Alan

[copenhagen]

I'm trying to pick an FBL system for my upcoming E5 build.  I am stuck between the iKON, Skookum 540, and V-Bar.  I like the Demon, but don't see it being worth $450- esp if the iKON functions as advertised with the self leveler.  I was wondering if anybody has experience with all 4 of these controllers?  I have a Spektrum 8000 receiver and a DX8.  I have lots of experience with the Beast, but I want something better and heard these other units actually fly better.

I have flown VBar, Beast, Ikon, CGY750 and Bavarian Demon (am a Rep).  All fly well and you cannot go wrong with any of them.
As far as self leveling versus bailout... Ikon has self leveling. Tried it once and almost crashed... Didn't mess with it after that. Chris can comment on that more.  That being said the Bavarian Demon has true bailout verses just self leveling.  You can set it up to self level or do a full bailout. Believe me... It works!


Cheers
Alan

If I could get the Demon for what you get it for... I'd probably go for it.  I pm'd Chris earlier.  I'm hoping he chimes in here too so if others have the same question in the future they will have more background info.

I bought four Demons before I became a rep for them and paid full price for those.


Think of what one crash costs. Even on a good day you are looking at around $125-150.  Demons are $450. VBars are >$300 plus more if you get pro.  Ikons are less $$.  Either way if it saves you a crash or two it has payed for itself.  Believe me it has saved me plenty of $$$.  Still it's a chunk of change up front but well worth it.  I only rep for them because I believe in the product.  Just like Synergy 😃


Cheers
Alan

At the beginning of this thread, you said that you finally got yours flying reasonably well.  What did you mean?  Was it a pain in the pecker to get it set up?  Are your settings something that can be copied and easily used as a base point for my E5 build?